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Check out this Model 17, rare..... yes, worth anywhere near what he's asking ..................................................................NO.



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Where's the link mate?

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Oh Blimey Charlie, Sorry !

That'd help wouldn't it ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1950s-Sc...roke-Self-Driven-Lawn-Mower/362176753529

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Thing is somebody just might pay that for it, the mere fact it was running 48 years ago might suck somebody in

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Hi Norm,

Would you buy a car that was last running 48 years ago ?

Wouldn't a better line be "Starts first time & runs like a Dream".

Oddly if you look at the write up and then the photos of it they really don't match each other. Basically what he's saying is that its a machine that was only used for 2 years, then check out the photo of the chain case and it most certainly looks like more than 2 years of scraping along the side of it. I strongly feel that this is just another Secondhand dealers throw away line to try and suck someone in.

I know that the Supercut was probably the best ever "Australian Made" Cylinder Cut Mower, but in the greater scheme of things its just not a versatile mower to be used domestically. That's where the "Model 45" by far outshines any other Reel Mower that this country has produced, but then if you had a "Mini" Cricket pitch in the backyard then a Supercut is for you, but a 14 inch.........................................................noooooooooo, that's why it's life was rather short lived and the sizes were then only 18, 20 and 24 inches which was a much wider with a flatter foot print.

Anyway it's nice to see a 14 inch Supercut as there aren't many out there at all.

Enjoy the images below as the listing will eventually disappear along with the photos on that site.


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Hello all
I feel Norm's view is closer to my view.
Certainly, there is a mis-match between the photo record and the description.
That goes to advertising puffery, compensated via a generous image description.

But ...

This Supercut is the rare 14" machine.
It is in good original condition.

In context, I have formed the view that Scott Bonnar misread the emerging
market for mowers, post-war. The 14" Supercut was designed in the late 1940s
when SB presumed business would be as usual - catering to the middle classes
that could afford a power mower.

The explosion of consumer goods in the 1950s changed all that.
It is clear to me that SB realized this later, with the advent of the Model 19 in 1953.
SB, themselves, recognised a new 'consumer' market with the Model 19 launch.

For this reason, the 14" Supercut was discontinued very early.
It was over-engineered for a domestic reel mower of the day.
That is why the 14" Supercut is so important!

I hope this one goes to a good home.
The price is high, but not dreamin' territory at all - in my view.

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Jack


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He needs to drop the price abit as it is a restorer's 'dream'.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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Hi Jack,

Well you're pretty much saying what I have, but with a few more words and a timeline description, regardless I feel "MF" is right on the money in saying that it's way too expensive, isn't that what I've said ?

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Hello Mod BB and all
Not really BB.
I have attempted to define the difference between an un-achievable 'dreaming' price and a realistic one.
I have placed the significance of the Supercut 14" in context, rather than a timeline;
explaining why it is a rare machine and why it is significant.

I hope this one goes to a good home.
The price is high - but NOT unrealistically so - for someone who appreciates history and quality.
The price is, actually, quite cheap... in the long run.

I hope this gives clarity to our differing arguments.
Let the buyer decide.

Long live the Model 17.
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Jack

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I had the same 14" complete with toolbox minus catcher. Ended up selling for $100, no way is it worth/ going to command those sort of $$$

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I think this is a case of tell em he's dreaming
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/victa-lawn-mower-Vintage/302559053032?

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At least there is a make an offer button. I would knock a zero off and go from there.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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Read em and weep !

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1950-039-s-Scott-Bonnar-Supercut-Model-17-Villiers-2-Stroke-Self-Driven-Lawn-Mower-/362266859206?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&autorefresh=true&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=yrmv5U38TAABA6GpxQH8AAB2sCc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Yes a whole $102.50 attained for when the link becomes defunct.

Sadly Model 17's aren't worth much at all, they are just a grossly underrated machine that's basically worthless in the current marketplace.


Something similar to what I implied a few previous posts earlier.

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Sadly Model 17's aren't worth much at all, they are just a grossly underrated machine that's basically worthless in the current marketplace.
Hello Bonnar_Bloke and all Lawnmower Collectors.

It's about time an alternate view is expressed to one that rates the market sale price
as the sole determiner of 'value'. It is clearly NOT! It is misguided, in my view.

The case of this Model 17 is a good exemplar.
So, a rare 14" Model 17 sells for a couple of cartons of beer. Goodo!

The marketplace value argument is a poor one, and has resulted
in untold loss of historically valuable machines. I hope we stop using it.

Remember this story:

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/u...-parkes-our-first-powered-lawnmower.html

This one was saved from Death's Door!

Talk about "Read em [sic] and weep"
Market-mindset collectors all lost that one and arguments about
market worthlessness are total nonsense. [Que Sera, Sera]

I hope we can stop repeating the marketplace argument and consider
the true collector - one who collects for every reason above marketplace BS.
My respect goes to true collectors, not 'wheelers and dealers' and their small and
selfish, market-driven mindsets.

I guess I'm a dreamer - but I'm not the only one.
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Hi Jack,

I don't think that anyone here nor myself for one moment feels what you are saying is incorrect.

This particular Model 17 is a rare example of itself and should be preserved for the future. I've never been of the opinion that because an item is expensive that it's really good nor more historically important.

My argument here was purely about a greedy individual that was preying on someone gullible or non educated and trying it on for his own personal financial gain and I'm glad that sanity has prevailed in the end. Regardless it hasn't made my Model 17 lift in its value has it ? nor do I care. I just have one because it's a symbol of great "Adelaide engineering & manufacturing" that's now been lost to the Chinese.

At $102.50 I hope that a caring person managed to secure it and either keeps it as it is or restores it without molestation inflicted upon it.

With any luck I'm hoping a member of "The Outdoorking" community has purchased it.

Cheers,
BB.


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