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THIS TOPIC is a RESPONSE to the Scott Bonnar MODEL 43 HISTORY RECORD HERE.

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Hi Jack,

I just read your article on the Model 43. This model has always been a bit of a question to me. You have discussed some of the perceived flaws of the design: single clutch, odd power plant, non-matching componentry. I can certainly understand that that the use of any one of the above could be potentially dismissed as a mere trial variation - this model seems to be a real bitsa. However to be fair, the geared rear roller and the use of the 202 engine was a throwback to the model 17. This being so, the big question is why did they return to a single clutch and a non-standard layout?

Scott Bonnar certainly were aware of the benefits of scaleability of a design - the Queen City and Standard units of the 1930's/40's were all designed on this principle as were the model 16 and 17 (more so the 17). Whilst I can see the desire to manufacture a lightweight and commercial range, (other manufacturers had discovered the need for a domestic and commercial/heavy weight range many years prior), why did Scott Bonnar choose to regress in terms of design? It would have been easier for them to construct a wide-bodied version of the model 33, power it with a four or two stroke engine and have a two clutch system. Even if it was desirable to use a geared land roll, a modified version of the model 17 gearing could have been achieved relatively easily. This would have provided a heavier (semi professional) mower with the scaleability that makes for a cost effective product line. Whilst ultimately, the model 45 would provide a scaleable, useable and cost effective design, the question is why produce a machine that is so different from all of the others in a product line and not take advantage of its predecessors and those in current production. I would welcome your views on this.

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Hello Sir Chook
I have asked these questions myself, particularly when I was preparing the article
for the Model 43. There seemed to be an anomaly between how the company approached
their new domestic range and how they traditionally built lawnmowers.

Scott Bonnar were completely aware of the many benefits of good scalable designs.
In fact, their Standard model was still being sold in 1950 and 1951. An inter-war design,
it was offered in 14", 16" and 18" in its final years.

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The new post-war professional models were scalable, as you say - the Model 16 Queens
in 20" and 24" and finally 30"; the Model 17 Supercuts in 14", 16", 18", 20" and finally 24".

Yet the earliest post-war domestic machines did not follow this design principle.
I said that by 1960, Scott Bonnar were offering three domestic sizes - 14", 16" and 20"
each one a separate design model! Your main question is, ... why did Scott Bonnar choose
to regress in terms of design? ...What were they thinking?

My best guess is that there is no single reason, but a number of factors that came
into play. Certainly, I feel that SB misunderstood the emerging mass market. Perhaps
they thought that the higher sales volumes could justify separate designs. For me,
it was just poor planning.

I saw this when I wrote about their first new domestic mower - the 14" Model 19.
This machine simply could not be scaled to any larger size. The baffling thing is
that SB didn't learn from that mistake. The solution to expanding the range
... more designs!

I totally agree with your point about the Model 33. Out of the three 1960 models -
the 33, 40 and 43 - only the Model 33 had potential to be scaled up or down in cut
size. It has the closest engineering DNA to what would become the Model 45s. It took
Scott Bonnar about 15 years to realize or remember what the older designers had known
about scalable design since the 1920s.

As you know, the main designer and founder, Mr Scott Bonnar, retired in 1947.
Sid Bowditch retired in 1958. Perhaps a lack of engineering leadership ensued for a period ...

It should also be noted that Scott Bonnar became a public company in 1950 and had a
Stock Exchange listing. Clearly significantly extra capital was raised to develop the
company (and new models) in the post-war era. Perhaps too much money ...

My final point is one made with the benefit of hindsight. Post WWII, a new consumer
market was born. In my research, I have concluded that perhaps 95% of the makers that
were around in the 1950s didn't survive to see the 1960s. Things just moved too quickly.

The Scott Bonnar design Department must have been kept busy - with new reel models and
their entering the rotary lawnmower market in about 1956. They made errors there too.

Scott Bonnar did survive to become one of the top half dozen lawnmower makers of the day.
They certainly didn't get there without error!
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Jack

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Hey sorry to but in but would you know if there’s any parts that would’ve used on both the 43 and the 45? I’m currently trying to restore a 43 but finding it hard to find anything for them. I want to keep all the original parts but not sure what to do about bearings and chains. Also the drive shaft has been cut off at some stage and thought maybe a 20” mower from a different model could replace it?
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Hello Lawndaddy [if that is your real name]
I would think there is little commonality between the Model 43 and Model 45.

Sir Chook's view is as relevant as ever.
I have not changed my view since this History Record: -

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/83401/MODEL_43_-_20"_POWER_.html

Please keep us informed.
The more Model 43s saved the better.
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Jack


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