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Because i am asking i will probably miss out.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/vintage-gree...pt=AU_Lawnmowers&hash=item3cb6302fae


Old Greenfield, what motor did they have in them??? Do they use the same deck as the later ones???

Bob.

It doesn't look as if anyone knows, Bob. You'll have to make your own judgement call on whether to bid.

Some of the later Greenfields had Honda engines. All of the others that have been shown here had Briggs engines - but none of them were vintage Greenfields, they were only 20-30 years old.

Hi Bob as far as I understand the one in the Ebay link is a 4? OR 5 hp? Honda motor I have a simular model not as old im thinking? Mini Tractor with the 8hp briggs & stratton i dont think the decks are the same as later models but i could be wrong, cheers

Thanks Peg.


There was one that looks the same on eBay up in QLD. He said G200 engine. But then i was thinking it does look a bit like a G65. Think the G200 was 5hp, the G65 was 6.8.

So im not sure.


I was thinking of having a stab for $50, well if i had $50. Its seems the grass has stopped growing and ive got a shed full of fixed mowers that are going nowhere.



I would have been looking at grabbing it for more of a novelty tractor rather than a mower.

I did end up getting this.
When i clear up the pile i catchers is burried under i will have to take some pics.

Definatley looking for more info.

I grabbed a cheap 11XL (rear engine) with a 28" deck last week. Deck is in great condition.

I might look to getting this tractor up and mowing.

I would love more info on it. What model and year etc.

Heres the pics.
G65 Motor runs. No exhaust.
Top of the tank is rusted pretty bad but i have 2 spare engines.
Pedal for the drive is seized up (hence the bit of wood) need get my hands on a hot stick and try that. Its been soaking for a while and still seized solid.
No seat or bracket.
No pulley etc for the deck belt. Different deck or at least drilled different to the one on the 11XL.
Steering is pretty much seized up. Flat tyre not helping.

Just needs some love. Pretty sure i can make it work again. Not sure if i will bother with a full on restore. Id have a use for it but friction drive is no good for what i want.


Would like to know exactly what the model is.
And a part list or manual would be a great help.









Cheers, Bob.

I can't really tell, Bob, but it looks a good deal like the "Mini Tractor 5 and 8 hp" model to me, though that one had B&S engines. It also looks as if you may have some potentially expensive parts missing (almost the whole crankshaft clutch, for example). Interesting machine, though, I hope you get it going. Some pictures of the engine part of the drive train would be useful for our Greenfield archives - we've only seen the wheel-drive mechanism up to now.

Behind that disc is the Vee pulley. Ive no idea what the disc is there for.
Can see the vee pulley in the pic with the engine ID sticker.
In the pic above you can just make out the belt below the pulley and see the tops of the horizontal rollers that twist the belt so it will travel to the back, up over the drive pulleys and around the idler.




That last pic was taken with the bonnet tipped as far forward as it will go. The bottom edge hits on the bracket for the front axle right on that gnarly weld.

The thing is sure gunna need a lot of love.

If i remember right the lever on the left moves the linkages, so it would be for deck belt tension/engagement. Height on the other side. Luckily all that stuff is there.
If my hunch is right i could just set it up carefully over the 28" deck and drill some holes in the deck and bolt it on. It would just be the front pulley and belt then.

Chain was rusted up, seems to be a bit freer now.
One wheel is loose on the axle, spins, not sure what is up there.

Beauty is that its a little bit agricultural in construction. Making/remaking bits wont be hard and they wont look out of place.
Only hard bits are the alloy parts, rims, steering wheel, seat basin and the steering gears and arm. Got most.

In theory if i can free up that pedal it will move under its own steam. Well gasoline, its not quite that old.


Im not sure where it would fit with the 5 and 8HP seeing as its 6.8HP.
Ive seen pics of one with a G200, i think they were rated at 5HP. Or 4 point something.
There is one similar on eBay in QLD, even has the G65. Bonnet is a bit different. I did message seller requesting pics but no joy so far.

Bob, this is the same area on the mini-tractor:


It looks kind of similar to me, but you are missing everything from that picture except the engine and the innermost part of the pulley/clutch system (Item 7). I'm guessing that the fixed, inner pulley (Item 7) drives the back wheels, and all the missing bits drive the cutter. Maybe the removal of all of that, and the substitution of a lump of wood to tighten a belt, constitute the previous tenant's improvements?

Im the wood tennant. Its there for leverage, trying to free up the pedal, the collar is seized on the post. Has a little movement but only what the post is flexing. Need to get heat on it.


I did download that parts list but its for a Vertical shaft motor.
Im thinking there must be some parts lists for the horizontal shaft tractors somewhere. Perhaps i will have to approach Greenfield directly.

I can't find a horizontal shaft Greenfield in the manuals section either. The mini-tractor is the only one that has a pulley and clutch system that looks like yours, and as you said, it is vertical shaft so there will be some substantial differences.

Contacting Greenfield seems like the best next step, especially if you can quote the serial number of your mower. I find a lot to like in the Greenfield design, at least with regard to the chassis and propulsion system. it would be nice to see yours - an unusual model - sorted out and documented for our archives.

Seller on eBay emailed me some pics of the one they were selling.









Its definatley a clutch on the front.
I found the bar on mine, the post is on the opposite side and the bar had fallen down in behind between the grille and lower edge of the bonnet. Im not sure where the lever is meant to be or go theres no tell tale that it was ever there.
Mine still has the belt rollers for the deck (will probably need renewing as will the ones for the drive belt). So all i would need would be the clutch.

Feel a bit silly, i thought the park brake was the deck engage. Doh! looked today after i got the pics and its pretty obvioulsy a park brake.

Only thing thats bugging me is what the lever is on the left on the deck just below the foot rest. I was thinking of a deck brake but its just got a spring on the other end and doesnt even go close to the spindle.


And that motor looks like its not a G65, possibly a G200. It actually looks like its got some sort of reduction or cam drive.

Got the pics of the other one from the listing.






Seek and ye shal find.
Heres one thats on eBay right now. Thinking of having a bid if one of the Canberra guys can pick it up for me.
Little lever and a spring makes the clutch work.

It looks like a decent mechanical design, Bob, but fairly complicated. Having the horizontal crankshaft seems to require two extra pairs of idler pulleys to redirect the two belts, but it does make the cutter clutch and its operating mechanism easily accessible without having to remove the cutting deck. The wheel drive clutches were already fairly accessible, as on all Greenfield designs I've seen. I think you'd need to spend a fair amount of time with an oil can though, to keep the whole thing operating smoothly over the long haul. Kind of like old British machinery, but more rugged. So far, I like it. If you end up owning one in proper working condition, a series of pictures and mechanical explanations would make a very interesting archival thread. Have you made any progress toward finding out the model name and number, plus year of manufacture?

Nah no progress on more info as yet. havent really been looking.
Other than the few bits im missing i doubt i will even need to know. Prehaps for decals and stuff. But then i know what im like and it will be lucky if it ever gets paint.



The other yellow one above has a G400 engine i think. I blew the pic up and thats the best i could work out. Strange how the front looks like its not driven off the crank. Perhaps the change of clutch was due to the change of engine.

The Red one is the same as mine.
Im thinking of having a bid on it. Not sure i should, i dont need any extra 'toys' just at the moment.


Im a little annoyed. The old man had a cast alloy Green fields deck at the tip some time back. I told him to chuck it, dont need it.

The red one is mine too.

Not sure when i will see it.

The red one looks complete to me (except for the missing mower deck, of course). If you get it working, you'll have one to copy to get the first one complete and working.

I'm guessing that the previous tenant of your first buy threw away the whole cutter clutch system when he ditched the mower deck and made it into a tractor. Tenant's improvements, of course. I don't suppose he kept some of those parts did he?

No he didnt have any more than what i got.
The yellow one had sat out in the weather for a long long time by the look of it.

It was referenced too as a garden ornement at one stage.

I swapped a worn out stuffed lister Diesel motor for the yellow tractor. It was taking up room on the bench in my shed and i couldnt be bothered with it. .
A mate of mine gave the lister too me. It had not run for near on 15 years.
Im sure he would be happy if i gave him back a Garden ornament. He is a collector of old things, loves oil tins and the like. If it was moving under its own power that would be awesome.
Only thing i would want to keep off it is the recoil start off the motor.

I'm fond of Lister diesels Bob, so I don't think I'd have made the same deal. However I thought the wheel-drive system looked good on the yellow one. Getting it going so it's a combination garden ornament and functional small tractor should be easy. However without a recoil starter it seems like a garden ornament only - unless you want to make it a rope-start?

My mate can rope start.

He has a later model 4000 series rover or something like that. It messed up so its now got a Victa rope start pulley on the top of it i think.

The lister would have been good but it was a pump of a water truck and had done a power of work. It was over kill for what i had planned for it and the pump and stuff would have had to come off it. Now ive got 3 or 4 Hondas to choose from to do the same job so its just easier to go with one of them.
Its only to to spin the old windmill head for dads bore. Little honda will do it easy. Have a G200 with a reduction drive on it thats winning the race so far.

Im actually looking for a piston push pump at the moment. Trying to work out how we are going to treat the water, its loaded with too much iron. Push pump will be handy if we do work out how to do something at the bore rather than once the water is over at the house.

Listers are good for long runs, rather than intermittent use. It used to be traditional in the deep bush to have a Lister-driven pump (perhaps like yours) on a trailer, connected to a 44 gallon drum of diesel fuel. You towed the trailer to the bore beside a [Censored] in whatever paddock was low on water, and coupled the pump to the bore. Then you fired up the Lister and went away. It pumped water into the [Censored] until the 44 gallon drum was empty, then stopped. Next time you saw that a [Censored] somewhere was low, you drove to where you'd left the pump on its trailer, switched the empty 44 gallon drum for a full one, and towed it to the next [Censored]. I gather the rig sometimes just sat out in the boonies for months, maybe years, in between uses.

In other words, what you had might have been a classic item in need of restoration. Maybe the new tenant will do it.

Nah it wasnt classic. Well not quite that old.

I think maybe the guy i swapped it to did get it running and sold it on eBay. Was checking out his feedback, saw something about a lister, but it was too long back to see the item detail.

Hi Guys,

That weird clutch setup kinda looks similar to the friction plate clutch I had on my Howard 2000, could be the same. Just a thought.

Cheers Keith

Its not a setup ive ever seen before, but it does make sense.
Going from a vertical to a horizontal drive you would need to have the belt in constant tension.

I figure for what i paid for the one above, its worth it for just the clutch and pull starter.

Hi, You asked earlier about the lever on the cutting deck, It is the cutter belt tensioner lever and its an "Over centre lock" type. As you pull it, the entire deck slides on the slotted brackets the deck bolts to and it tensions the belt. I have a greenfield with this type of setup but for the life of me i can't identify the model. Hope it helps.
Glenn

Thanks Glenn.


Makes me wonder about the clutch on the front then.



I was thinking it might have been brake for the blade disc.
I got another deck the other day, its got what looks like might be a workable other half to my theory.



I would be very interested in seeing any pictures of your mower that you are talking about.


Cheers, Bob.

Bob, I think Glenn's model is quite different from yours. You do not have a friction clutch and a belt-tensioning clutch on the same mower doing the same job.

The Clutch on the front has 2 pulleys. One is constant drive(no Clutch) as this is the drive belt pulley. The pulley with the clutch is for the cutter deck disengage. Mine is the same. I'll post pics as soon as i can.

1st pic is the pulley setup. The next 2 pics are for someone to help me identify the model. Points to note though, right hand discharge not left. Bolt on trailing wheels on the deck not cast mountings. Horizontal crankshaft motor and this chassis was designed for it. Closest i have gotten is that it is a Super HD8 with different wheels and body, except its too long.......