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#114042 08/02/22 05:50 PM
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Hi all

Picked this up off verge collection today, looks to be all there and the Honda engine turns over. Hasn't seen daylight for many years.

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wce #114043 08/02/22 06:23 PM
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How many Mr Ed power is the very professional grade looking Honda motor?

I hope there's more dust than rust coating that mower.
It looks almost as complicated as a car's engine bay with that bonnet removed.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
wce #114045 08/02/22 06:29 PM
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Hi MF

11hp, i'll have to learn as i go with all the levers etc, hoping it's a multi speed.

wce #114046 08/02/22 06:46 PM
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G'day wce and Mf

The Deutscher looks to be in serviceable condition ,hopefully it's still got compression.

I see them advertised in this condition not running for $150 to $250 so not a bad score.

https://www.deutschermowers.com.au/blog/3-the-oldest-deutscher-mower

Cheers
Max.

wce #114047 08/02/22 07:01 PM
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Absolutely the best mower. Rugged and reliable. Fantastic on hilly ground. Leaves a great finish too. We had one in Tassie when I was a lot younger.

I bought a new one 3 years ago and it’s my most used mower. Couldn’t be without it.

The parts are all available too.

wce #114062 09/02/22 06:22 PM
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G'day all Deutscher lovers,
,
Deutscher is an Australian quiet achiever.
Not too many Australian mower companies can
boast 7 decades of manufacture.

They are well-regarded as rugged and reliable.

I hope they live long and prosper.

------------------------
Jack

wce #114074 10/02/22 04:16 AM
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I had assumed it was from the land of the sausage shop or the windmill, not the land of the boomerang.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
wce #114081 10/02/22 06:09 PM
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The engine had excellent compression so it was no surprise she started second pull after doing the usual pre start checks on something that's been sitting for a long period, she runs perfectly.
I'll check the rest of the running gear operation once i get tyres on the rear.

Cheers
wce

wce #114083 10/02/22 09:33 PM
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A double oil change on both engine and gearbox is a good idea.

Empty both of oil allowing them to drain thoroughly. Then refill will new clean oil in both.

Run the machine for long enough to warm up the gearbox and then do a second change.

The right grades of oil are in the manuals section on this site.

I do this when I’ve let something sit longer than I should have.

I’m told oil for equipment without forced lubrication and filtration like most mowers shouldn’t contain surfactants so junk collects in the bottom of the engine and/or gearbox. When used oil sits around it can break down and water from the atmosphere condenses inside the casings while the machine sits. Starting and using machines with unknown service history can churn all this stuff up making a mix perfect for destroying bearing surfaces.

An double oil change is good insurance.

wce #114084 11/02/22 12:45 AM
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Nice find wce, how did you get it into the ute? I had a decent accident with a big generator on the curbside the other month loading it


Ironbark, running a modern (or really any) small engine on Non detergent oil is a bad idea

While it was recommended in the 50's, we have come a long way in oil technology since.

Aside air compressor oil, I can't think of any readily available Non-detergent oil on the market, except maybe some products made for historic cars.

Detergent oil contains a multitude of anti wear additives, acid control agents and other things that make for long oil and machine life.
The dirtier running the engine, the more detergency required. Hence diesels oil is chock full of it - they have blowby causing acid buildup, soot buildup, etc.

While it is said detergent oils will not 'scrub' away the grime as well as a bottle of engine flush, it does a very good job.

Back when non detergent oils were recommended, the manual said do a flush after dropping the old oil, run 15 minutes, and drain then refill with ND oil. Probably was just kero oil mix back then.

What I do agree on is many rapid oil changes. My personal record is about 5 in an hour on an old 3.5hp briggs. The original oil came out like tar and despite a long drain, only 400ml came out (despite full on dipstick - hence 150ml of sludge in there. Changed the oil every 15 minutes until it wasn't disgusting and then ran longer intervals.

So long as I can get motor oil for between 95c and $2 per L, several flushes are cheap insurance

wce #114095 11/02/22 09:38 PM
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Hi Tyler and all contributors

Had some help to load her up, new rear tyres fitted today, they are split rims so had to go tubes as well. Had to use a big 3 legged puller to get the wheels off, transmission oil changed, a few adjustments to be made, then looking forward to a road test.

Cheers
wce

wce #114111 12/02/22 11:19 PM
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I did not say, at any point, “use non detergent oil” I am saying, I thought very clearly but I’m perhaps getting decrepit, use what they recommend in the manual.

I think I said that? I’ll reread my post.

Yeah I did: “the right oils are listed in the manual on this site”

I think the bit you’ve grabbed hold of is where I said that non surfactant oils were and are used and that they can make the situation a lot worse when you pick up an older machine with unknown maintenance history.

I also considered relating some personal stories about old tractors and machinery on our farm to illustrate my point but I thought that’d bore people and in my field, personal experiences aren’t reliable data.

wce #114113 12/02/22 11:48 PM
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Hi Ironbark

Yes I see now, sorry it didn't help that I had a guy jump down my neck the other morning that I put detergent oil in his mower. Was 100% adamant it was now going to blow up for those reasons outlined.

Havent pulled down any small motors that I know were run on ND or not, so it would be an interesting test. Though since an old briggs will run all day on 2 tablespoons of oil sludge, it may be a moot point


Wce, bet it will absolutely smash the grass

wce #114289 03/03/22 04:50 PM
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A mate of mine is going to sell his Deutscher self propelled because he has sold his property up in the Mallee. He is bringing it back to Melb so when he gets it back here I will post the details if anybody is interested


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