OutdoorKing Repair Forum Forums Finding and Swapping Rare Finds & Donations SCOTT BONNAR: Model 49 - Blumbly

Yes Jack that would be great to find one of those.I dare say it would be very hard to find one with a plastic catcher.
I hope this topic does help somebody as these models are very hard to find and finding any information on them is even harder.

Jack and other members.
As you can clearly see on this mower I have a chunk missing (from the base) behind the right front wheel.So I started the search for another base,and believe it or not I found one.
I bought it back in 2013 and only just this week I looked at the base only to find it wasn't a 2 stroke model it had a four stroke on it originally.Now I don't want to use it to replace the base on the 2 stroke now I want to put it back together as it should have been.However this model came with a selection of four strokes.As shown below.

So which is the right one.I'm hoping someone has the information I need to put the right engine on it.
Here I'll show you I've got.
This was it as of when I got it.
Defiantly the wrong type of 4 stroke there.



This is only the mower number.Unfortunately no model number,as that would be a huge help.

As you can see it has the old style 4 stroke throttle control.Also it's not a good picture but on the locking part for the handle it has written there Deluxe 4.On the 2 stroke model it has Deluxe 2.

So with all that in mind I'm thinking it would have had the Kirby-Tecumseh K6.5 4-stroke or the Kirby-Tecumseh VK30 on it.
Is there anybody that would have a better idea than that?
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Hello Blumbly!

That's an interesting question.

Could you tell us how you know it was originally fitted with a 4-stroke?
The reason I ask that is because of the adaptor plate SB used for 2-strokes.
They could be changed to 4-strokes by discarding the plate.

All very interesting.
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JACK

As I said in the post it has the older style 4 stroke control and the Deluxe 4 on the handles.

Sorry, I missed that.
I'm trying to do a number of things at the moment.

Because this is an early machine - with metal catcher, I'm
favouring the VK30 - but that still does not help in identifying
the cowling. I have not been able to find anything that may help.

Hopefully, a member may have the answer.

Actually that's what I was thinking due to the handle shape and that kind of throttle control.

After having a think I remembered that it was very possible that I had a spare VK30 engine.
So I looked and to my surprise I was right.So now I'll have to fit it to the base and attempt to get it running now.I'm happy at the fact that it could well be the engine that originally was on this base.I just don't know if I will be able to find the right bracket and chrome hat it would have had.
This is how it looks right now.

Well after all this time I decided to give this old boy (a.k.a Mr.Handsome) another start up.
Well wasn't in for for a big surprise as someone (not naming any names) didn't clean out the fuel system,not sure who the heck that was.I found the carby full of junk and the main jet was clogged,block solid it was.So I had to clean that out,but that was the easy part,getting the junk out of the tank was a little harder as the top dress cowl is the tank(see picture below),but I managed to be able to get that easy enough.
Now I managed all that OK but I wasn't real happy with what I was getting out of the tank.So I sat it in the sun and waited for it to dry out.Once dry I then seen what my biggest problem is...rust!Oh NO! Now I really don't know what to do I get all the flaky stuff out but when I stick my finger inside all I can feel is rust.These engines aren't common enough for me to take a risk so now I don't know how but somehow I have to try and get the rust out of it.Great!!!????
Before I go any further nothing is working I added pictures they didn't come out I tried to change the word rust to read and changed the size of nothing worked,also the screen size has changed and I have to scroll side ways to red the whole post.Any information would be great thanks.

usedto be able to get the stuff from motorbike shops years ago , clean it out and treat it like a sealer , tip it is swish it around and drain .not sure if you can still get it though , i did use old clear coat once and it did work but it was before ethenol added to petrol .


whats with the widescreen here , what ya done blumby

Yes I know it went crazy on me when I tried to add some pictures.Then I removed them but the wide screen stayed,not sure why.
Need help from a moderator for it to be fixed.
I'm going to see about Vinegar I've herd that can help remove rust.


Not sure why but it has let me put some pictures up now.I hope this helps the widescreen bit.Don't know.

Hello Blumby,

I'm guessing the excessive use of punctuation in your #68736 post upset the format.
[now removed] Just use an ellipsis like this ... No need for drama.
It seems to be fixed now.

Hope this helps.
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JACK

Cool thanks heaps Jack it was very different to see the screen go wide the way it did.

Hi Jack and other ODK members.
Does any one know what the original fuel cap and air filter look like? Also maybe some that I could obtain and put onto the Kirby 2 stroke model.As the fuel cap and air filter are not the ordinal ones on it.
Thanks.

the 3 kirby 2T's i have here all have the same airfilter ass'y same as the one in your photo short round ones steel mesh foam filter, yours is different ?

any sort of idea mate ? even the old turner has round too and its mid 60's

Hi all

Blumbly, I guess you're talking about the VK30 4-stroke (not the Villiers tank above).
The tank from the Turner (Coronet) was the standard VK30 tank of the early and mid '60s.
I'm guessing that by 1968 there was a more streamlined version offered by Kirby that SB
used on the 490409 (with VK 30).

I've seen this newer-looking tank on other brands as well.
This is the machine you are re-creating ...
[Note: the tank slopes from from to back; also chrome cover for trip release]



The aircleaner - I believe - will be the same as displayed in the
brochure in the Record for the 49 with Villiers 2-stroke (Pope used them as well).

Hope this helps.
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JACK

No Jack with the air cleaner and fuel cap I was talking about the Villiers 2 stroke mower.

Hello Blumbly

I see, the early brochure shows the style also used on later Popes.
It's plastic and the two halves clip together. SB would later use the
more common screw cap design on the 49s.

The petrol cap is a simple metal one (like the Kirby VK30).

I'd really like to see some kind of document on this before I'm sold on that.

Mate

The photo above is from A Scott Bonnar document.
The History Record also has a spare parts list showing this style of air-cleaner.

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=66710

Sorry, I couldn't be of assistance.
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Jack

Two different conversations here.Fuel cap is what I'm talking about.

Indeed.
you need to be clear, then, in the conversations you start!
I guess we're talking Villiers, not Kirby.

Awesome work there Jack that does show it there.I'm happy with that,but just for one small problem you'll see here in this picture below(It's not great)but you can see the fuel cap.To me it looks like it's a plastic one.It kind of looks like a series 70's victa cap.I know in the sales brochure it is the tin one.

Sorry to be a pain I just want to make sure that I'm going to put the correct one on it.
That parts page you have there is that in some kind of manual as I haven't seen that one before?
Also does anyone have one of those tin fuel caps as I just don't have a spare one at all?

As far as I know Blumbly at least a partial amount of 49s had a plastic cap.

Its true The tin cap was standard on torque major engines. SB being no exception, but Im certain SB had another Plastic cap at some point in the run as well. Maybe the last of the series?

Ill see what I can find in my brochures.

The tin cap will be the same as early Victa, just usually in white on most mowers, and red on SB:)

Either way, go with the Tin as its definitely correct.

Thank you Mal that would be very much appreciated.I just want to make sure I get it right as lets face it there isn't many of them left.

Nope there isn't....I havnt got a 47 or 49. Ive only got the Pretty brochures

No I haven't got a 47 either I'd love to have one or three though.

Hi all,

Out of curiosity this one appeared on ebay. deluxe 4 model (BS) with a plastic catcher...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Scott-Bonner-Deluxe-4-wide-cut-lawnmower-/321899964941

Pete

Thanks for that IHWS

These are great photos of a late Model 49.
One for the serious SB collector.
[Photos will appear as part of the record shortly]

Thanks for the info.
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Jack

Hi all and esp Blumbly,

Don't know this model mower but the 2-stroke engine sure looks like the Villiers I remember from our Rover Princess when I was young in the 70's.

In which case I can tell you our fuel cap was metal (no. 96 in Cyberjack's diagram) and painted the same bright orange as the tank. Underneath it was a small plastic shield which we were always careful to replace (no. 134- I think- in the diagram). The plastic shield had a lip to fit over the rim of the lid's thread so you had to make sure you didn't screw it down too tight. If I remeber rightly, you could also drop the plastic lid down into the tank if not careful, a real annoying job to get out (but aided by little-boy fingers, a piece of wire and an annoyed father at the time). Both items had a small pinhole for ventilation, if I remeber rightly the cap pinhole was in the centre and the plastic shield pinhole was offset. The best way was to fit the plastic shield into the back of the cap and then screw it on, to prevent it catching on the thread and being chewed up. Forgive me for a dimming memory, this was up to 35 years ago now...

Just my 2c worth (which rounds down to zero nowadays of course )

Pitrack_1

P.S. Oh and I think the metal cap had a thin band of vertical lines/ridges around the top rim for grip (bit like the edge of a silver Oz coin e.g. 20c piece).

All good advice there Pitracl_1 they did have the metal fuel cap,but there have been pictures of a plastic fuel cap as well.It looks a bit like the 70 series Victa caps.