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I have a Scott Bonnar 38 series edger with a 2hp Briggs & Stratton engine.

The engine runs well when started. I have done a bit of work on it, such as removed the head and de carboned and also cleaned out the fuel tank and installed new carburetor gaskets and a needle valve kit.

The previous owner said the fuel tank has to be full for the engine to start. This seems to still be the case and I had a good look at the plastic fuel pick up pipe when I removed the carburetor from the tank, but could not see any cracks or damage to the pipe or gauze pick up.

Yesterday I used the edger after it had not been used for around a month. It took about 6 pulls of the starter to get the edger to fire. When it did start the engine ran well and worked without any faults. Normally I use the edger once every 2 weeks and it can take around 3-4 pulls to start.

I would like to know if these Vacu-jet choke slide carburetor are prone to hard starting?

Also has anyone had issues with the fuel pick up on these carburetors?

Will changing the fuel pick up improve the starting? As a new pick up pipe will cost between $20-$30.

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Did you check your valve clearances? L- head tends to close these over time that lead to starting problems as they overly decompress. Can't much about the slide choke if it is an issue or not as they are have been gone for a long time around here.

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Hi AVB,

No I have not checked the valve clearances on the engine. It is a good point to check them as you say they could definitely lead to starting problems.

I am also unfamiliar with the vacu-jet sliding choke carburetor, so would like to know how they actually perform on a good engine. As they got replaced by the pulsa-jet model I take it they weren't the best model of carburetor. The pulsa-jet model looks similar but uses the diaphragm to assist in full delivery and was a very popular carburetor for years.

I just really want to know if this poor starting is common with the vacu-jet sliding choke carburetor, which means my engine is starting normally. Or there is a common fault which can improve the starting.

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G'day folks,
Beantin, if you've replaced the carby diaphragm [if any - small Vacu-Jets didn't have one] along with the gaskets, it's probably working as well as it's going to. The only common problem with these fuel pick-ups is the screen getting clogged.

These are a pump type carby of sorts, but the pump has to lift the fuel from the bottom of the tank in a single stage, unlike the Pulsa-Jet. So it can take a few pulls just to get the fuel up to the carby.

Aside from the valve clearances, check that the choke is operating correctly. With the throttle control in the full choke position, see if you can pull the choke slide out any further. If you can, it needs to be adjusted, by careful bending of the link wire.


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Just tried to start it today (3 days after being used) after 6 pulls it didnt fire. On 6th pull I noticed the choke link moved to the open position. I then held the the link in the choke position and it started straight up.

Will check the valve clearances as per AVB's post and check the the choke operation/linkage.

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Righto beantin,

It may be possible to correct the choke problem by simply adjusting the throttle cable - loosen off the clamp on the carby body, move the cable outwards a few mm, and re-tighten the clamp screw. Then check the choke operation again.

The throttle cable needs to be set up so that it will operate the choke at one end of its travel, and the engine cutout switch at t'other.


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I would like to know if these Vacu-jet choke slide carburetor are prone to hard starting?
G'day Beantin, AVB and Gadge
I don't have too much to offer here, but recent posts have made me think.

The Vacu-Jet was Brigg's most simple carby design.
It did not use a diaphragm fuel pump (Pulsa-Jet) or a small secondary fuel tank
as in an automotive style job with a small fuel bowl (Flo-Jet).

It did not have gravity feed - instead, the tank was located below the carby!
This would always be a challenge. Even atmospheric pressure at a location
played a significant role.

Vacu-Jets relied on a sound mechanical pump to do the job.
That pump, here, was the cylinder and pistons and rings. It also required good
condition of valves and valve clearances.

The challenge was not to create too rich or too lean a mixture, and ensure
fresh fuel was used.

In terms of starting, the design was compromised. I guess that's why the
designed was abandoned on all but the smallest of Briggs engines.
It's not used on modern Briggs engines of any size.

In service, I noted that we sold quite a few of these carbies.
The main reason was wear on the throttle body and carby housing,
brought about by poor air-cleaner service. More common, but less
expensive, were blocked emulsion tubes.

In early autos, vacu-jet designs were common, but assistance was
given by mechanical fuel tank pressurisation (given the tank sat lower
than the carby height in the chassis.

A similar system was offered on the Villiers used on the Qualcast P1 ...
But that primer was never up-to-the-job and a calibrated mixture
adjustment was used for different weather conditions.
Ultimately, Villiers abandoned the idea.

Briggs ran with the idea - but only on their smallest of engines.
A small fuel tank was obligatory - given it sat below the carby.
Why did they do this? ANS: the tank had to be shallow for vacuum
to suck up fuel, and to make for a compact engine.

I would persevere with the original engine provided it is in sound condition -
cylinder, piston, rings and valves.

Ensure no leakages that would create lean start-up mixtures.
The obvious ones - gaskets and throttle butterfly wear.

Turn the aircleaner around to its correct position.
This avoids exhaust gas interference with the air-intake.

Consider fitting Magnetron electron ignition - the best for
ignition of lean mixtures.

Vacu-Jets should not be considered 'hard-to start'.
But they're not a first-pull design.

Hope this helps.
------------------------------
Jack

p.s. interesting question. Got me thinking smile
Sorry for long-winded reply.

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G'day all ... again blush

I did not explain the other stimulus to this story.
Vacu-Jets by design will tend towards leaner mixtures as the
engine wears.

The challenge, today, is to make engines that can function on leaner mixtures.
This is big business in the auto industries. A lot is at stake.

This was the main reason for my above rant.
Modern engine theory is about crossover engines -
that behave as both spark ignition and compression ignition engines!
Our understanding of gasoline and diesel engines is no longer valid.
The video is below...


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Take the air cleaner off and tip in half a teaspoon of petrol in the carby throat and it will start first pull


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