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Originally Posted by CyberJack
G'day all

This is an interesting thread because it involves history as it is unfolding.

I feel China can make products to any quality chosen.
I know they make great China - and have done so for centuries! laugh

In many ways, the market is way beyond any one manufacturer;
but every manufacturer must 'fall in line' to remain competitive.

My contempt is with respected manufacturers that hide behind a veil.
That is, they do not sufficiently control the quality of products they
choose to have made in China under the banner of their name.

China has very obliging manufacturers that may produce the very best -
or the most dodgy. I think there is no case for 'industrial racism'.

There is a secondary problem: the advent of the entry-level, domestic
lawnmower as a mere appliance - a throw-away job with a limited lifespan.
This is relatively new concept in lawnmower history.

As such, manufacturers have responded to the 'pizza' market ... but
that should not absolve them of a decent base product.

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Jack

An interesting tangent this has gone on. smile

Was talking about this with a mate after discussing mowers no less, fairly new to me having my first garden to look after, but he was pulling many apart not so long ago in high school.

He then brought up the plastic cams on newer engines. My jaw hit the floor.

He's an engineer so the discussion got down to the fact that they have essentially deliberately made design choices based on light domestic use and say a fairly short lifespan, so they've saved let's say $20 per mower by using plastic, this will add up. However they don't seem to be taking into account that once it fails they have done irreparable damage to their brand and reputation and as always it's likely not affordable or viable to fix, cheaper to just replace the whole engine, another sale, yippee.

Yet you've got a pissed off customer that's wondering why their dads lawnmower is 30 years old and still goes first pull and their new one fell apart after 5.

It is everything these days, see it in electronics where a cheap component has been used for a saving of actual cents, which then fails catastrophically and takes out a device worth hundreds. It is insane. Every corner has been cut, every part has been screwed right down to be as cheap as they can get away with.

I am surprised this has not really been covered purely from an environmental aspect, the amount of things these days that are not made to be repaired or not viable or affordable to that end up in landfill, chuck it and buy another one.

It's depressing and I can't see how this can continue indefinitely.

You do occasionally see those that are passionate about making a quality product and good workmanship but it seems rare these days.


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Hi Dooley topics spin around in all directions. My theory for years has been, everybody is running around wanting to lower emissions, how much damage is done to the environment by producing products that will only last a few years compared to producing a similar product that will last many years. Sorry this won't happen because money is the bottom line, not the environment. Think about the Adani coal mine, we can sell coal to India so they can fill the atmosphere with emissions, but we are not allowed to burn it here for our own power. Smoke that goes up in India still travels around the atmosphere regardless of where it is burnt. All about dollars in the end

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Firstly,
It's interesting to see such a humble subject evolve into an abstract of socio-economics.
Sometimes you never know what you'll get when you ask a question !!
Secondly the picture solved my problem so ...
Lots of luck solving the problems of the world but I'm sure you'll need less luck solving mower problems if you come here.

Cheers to all


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Originally Posted by CyberJack
G'day all

This is an interesting thread because it involves history as it is unfolding.

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Jack

What day in history isn't?
It evolves and devolves around us continually and, technologically has accelerated since WWII at an almost logarithmic rate. It's a shame that the the sociology hasn't kept up.


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It's interesting to see such a humble subject evolve into an abstract of socio-economics.
Sometimes you never know what you'll get when you ask a question !!
G'day Brycevr

I guess so - though this is not a great example of a moderated topic is it?
Perhaps it should have been broken up, and social comment moved to
the 'Off Topics' forum.

It is good, though, that this topic solved your engine problem.

My favourite quote must go to Norm ...
This whole sorry saga has been slowly picking up speed for 20 years

I feel we are all now like governor springs: always under tension, always
being revved up!

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Jack

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