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Hi all Trimmer repairers,

Just a quick question,I was thinking the other day why isn't there a line trimmer with a gravity fed carby with a fuel bowl?
like the early Victa 125 carby.

The snippers aren't working on all angles like a chain saw so I know a simple carby without a fuel pump
would work.

Anyone know of a Line Trimmer that was made new with the basic gravity fed carby?


Cheers
Max.

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Hi Max,
No reason why it wouldn't work but the whole idea of fitting the tank snug in under the body is to keep them compact so they can fit in the smallest possible box for shipping. And if you put the tank on top then you would have my greatest bugbear, a float needle . I know they can make float needles that work, it is just that I have been damaged by float needles over the years

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Max, I have an old MSAA craftsman that is (I should think) a rebadged echo. It has a float carby. fuel tap to stop flow, slide barrel carb, metal float needle with plastic float - funnily enough it is easier to gum up than a diaphragm carby.

Never seen another

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Hi Norm and Tyler ,thanks for the replies,

All the problems Norm with float needles ,if the old seat from an old primer cap was swapped into the new cap I think
you mostly wouldn't have had a problem but you don't expect new caps to have a faulty seat.

I've never seen that MSAA equivalent Echo snipper with that carby ,I have a few MSAA trimmers but
not like that.

After I was thinking why isn't there a float needle carby on a trimmer I found a Michigan 47cc Brush Cutter that
was sitting in the backyard for about 5 years.

I hadn't looked at the trimmer until now , cleaned the carby out ,and got the trimmer running.

I've had hundreds of trimmers, even a couple sheds full to the roof, but only seen the Michigan trimmer with a float needle carby until now
with Tyler's MSAA trimmer.

Most of my trimmers are gone now but probably have 50 ,must get that number down.

Just as a side note ,the yellow fuel can I thought was a strange shape but a fair while ago I was reading somewhere that they are made
that way for a reason, instead of lifting the fuel can to fill up a smaller can you just roll the yellow fuel tin side ways to pour the fuel
out .I'd never thought about rolling the can to pour the fuel out before. If anyone else has a fuel can the same and hasn't thought
about the shape that's why the can looks a little strange.

Cheers
Max.

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Funnily enough max, i have that same michigan motor on an ozito water transfer pump. Ozito discontinued it (which bunnings ended up clearing for around $52), but ebay is still ripe with them https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/193933992532?

They are a knock off of an NB40 robin

Never seen a fuel can like that though and I have also never seen another of my msaa trimmer - not even in old newspapers on trove

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Yes there are a few of these Chinese copies around Tyler ,the cheapest I saw was $85. so $52. was very cheap.

I have the NB40 robin motor that was missing parts when I found it so I didn't realize what it was.

I think I only have 2 MSAA Trimmers , both run well and I would have a few of the Echo equivalent trimmers , the only
one I could find that was close looking to your MSAA Trimmer Tyler was a Homelight HK 16.

Looking at my 2 MSAA Trimmers they are both CD Ignition.

Cheers
Max.

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Max, I have another echo that is pretty well identical I think its an SRM 140. Identical (including ignition points) but has a diaphragm carby.

This is the serial (which indicates its one of the first made). The first symbol is the same as Kioritz (共立), but the second symbol does not.

The numbering system is certainly right for echo

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Hi Tyler,

Yes definitely looks like a first model from the low number , now I remember seeing your snipper about 3 years ago on ODK.

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/104511/msaa-craftsman-line-trimmer.html

I had completely forgotten about the Echo float needle carby snipper.

I'm thinking your Echo trimmer with the float needle carby is a late seventies SRM 140D (number 354) , there is a SRM 140DA but the
muffler is different.(has the Walbro Carby)

If I see an early 140 I will collect it as they must be getting rare these days ,one old snipper I paid for was the MSAA but was only $10.

The good thing about these small cc trimmers is they rev well and are smooth running and they are quieter than larger motors.

Kioritz first started trading the Echo brand name in 1978

Cheers
Max.

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Still not exactly sure what model Echo trimmer you have Tyler as when I looked up the SRM140D it said after number 1,001
and yours is (number 354) Also looking at the parts list it had a different carby.

Hmm maybe a GT140?

Cheers
Max.

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Hi Max, I just looked it up and gt140 still had a diaphragm carby. No idea what mine is

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Hi Tyler,

Yeah the manuals may be wrong for your Line Trimmer 354 ,the first few hundred have the needle float carby
then they changed to the diaphragm carby but most likely the manuals just list the diaphragm carby.

I saw a early manual and it said revised 1983.

Victa did a similar thing , the early Rotomo 501 to 1246 used a Villiers carby but I've never seen a Victa Rotomo
manual that shows adjustments and servicing for the Villiers carby.

Cheers
Max.

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