I swapped this nice mower for an old Villiers engine..... And a carb for my Pope mower... Looks rough, but I will get motor going and put it on big wheel Victa..... It's a 60's mower. two stroke. Rattle gunned off top and bottom nuts today , and head. Rings Ok, bore Ok. bearings OK. Looking for forward to fun and challenge.........
bit crazy? speedy
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Early Pope mowers are getting so hard to come by. I'm sure you will get this one going speedy, but it will take time and a lot of work. I will post some photos soon of my Pope rebuild using parts from the early 60s to the mid-70s, and with a few repurposed parts from Victa, Briggs and Stratton and Tecumseh, other parts entirely re-engineered. Yep, I have finally completed this project. It took me 6 months!
Got the motor off base today, turns over, I sprayed some WD40 to get into bearings and past rings.... turned over a few times, didn't see spark, but I need to take flywheel off. It's an USA made Phelon FG 5152 magneto...Villiers used these as well.
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Here's where I'm up to................... heat. WD40. light levers....... heat wd40... there is no holes to put a puller in....... so I will let wd40 soat in under a bit of pressure... i don't to bugger it up.
speedy
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speedy, see if you can work out where the coil is and try not to drill into it because the coil might be ok to use with a module and usually if you hit the coil it breaks the drill bit
Hi speedy, you want the holes fairly close to the shaft to get maximum pressure on the taper. The further out you go the greater the risk splitting the wheel
Some of the flywheels have a centre steel insert with the taper so you wouldn't want to drill into that and weaken the taper support or weaken the alloy taper on the alloy flywheel ,the measurement is where the factory drills the later alloy flywheel and as Norm said going out further could break the flywheel ,the alloy centre flywheel comes off really easily with the puller with the 3 holes.
The other way to remove them is to put the nut flush with the end of the crank then hold two levers that are levering on the flywheel and at the same time hit the flywheel nut with a hammer.The motor must be off the ground to do this and is not easily done by one person but I've done it this way a few times.
The drilling method saves time for the next time the flywheel is removed.
I'll drill in correct position. Yes Max I usually use the two levers and hammer. But don't want to smash it.... I'm getting attached to it now....... speedy
Last edited by speedy; 07/08/2204:19 PM.
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To use the inner holes as designed I’ve found it’s best to start with a thru tap (in 1/4”) and then move to a bottoming tap. The thru tap should only be turned through four turns or it will punch through and create an opening for gunk to get into the electrics. I apply a bit of rocol rtd during tapping which allow me to easily pick up the swarf with a rag.
I have a harmonic balancer puller that I use to remove the flywheels; the one I use is an older unit and is smaller than some of those commonly sold today. The bigger modern models don’t let the bolts get close enough together or let you easily use the 1/4” bolts.
Another thing is to apply penetrant to the thread a couple of days before, this helps a lot. The sleeve on the flywheel can corrode and bond with the crankshaft and the penetrant helps.
If I feel any resistance I back off straight away and use heat differential to help me out. I then choose to do the job early in the day as it gets pretty chilly in my workshop overnight and the whole mower is cold. Having put the puller in my deep freeze overnight I use my heat gun to warm the flywheel. The heat expands the flywheel relative to the crankshaft and the puller works more efficiently.
I haven’t broken a flywheel in a while, I’m much more cautious since early motors and spare parts got scarce.
Morning Ironbark, I have a Ford harmonic balancer puller as well. I have used it with 1/4 bolts on other flywheels. I've heated and let WD40 run down crack..... a few times...... I'm not in a hurry. There's not much data around about this old Phelon magneto.... but I bet it's the condenser......... speedy
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I thought I might have trouble getting my old Pope flywheel off. Believe it or not it simply lifted off in my hands. It is an earlier model than speedy's however.
