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#113982 03/02/22 02:02 PM
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Always wanted an old Australian 2 stroke.......
Got one this morning for $25.
Motor turns over. The guy said he tried to get it going 30 yrs ago, no spark so he put it in the garage.....
I'm going to continue where he left off......
It looks pretty good for about 70 years old. ?? Haven't identified it properly yet. But I see a few on ODK.
cheers
speedy

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G'day Speedy

Looks good to me for $25. Around 1959. USA sourced recoil starter

I bought a Cheap Pope 320-03 and got it running but was a little disappointed as I was missing the original
air filter and the original blade plate anyway eventually found another 320 -03 that was complete but haven't got
around to looking at it yet.

The Pope motor set the Go Kart endurance record back in it's day.

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.a...cs/60798/pope-model-320-with-manual.html


Cheers
Max.

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Morning Max,
Thanks, mine is a 320-03. I've been collecting manuals pictures in special folder, so I have it all when I start.
Only 62 years young.
I've sprayed it with WD40. Just got too clear the decks first....
speedy


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Took flywheel off with my Ford puller... cleaned it up, points were good, sanded them.
No spark, so I put a Victa condensor in, good spark.
I just need to get flywheel nut and base plate nut... Have to go into Bolt shop in town, take the mower in?
Got an idea the sizes Max? Imperial ? course and fine for base?
This is what I'm after..........................
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L-jQ2-q2XgE
cheers
speedy

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G'day Speedy,

I had a quick look at a spare motor but the top crank thread was half damaged .

The lower crank nut thread looked like it was 5/8 UNF that's 18 threads per inch.

The top thread was 1/2 inch ,the thread gauge would not go on because of the damaged thread but
looked like it was 12 threads per inch so if correct I think that's 1/2 inch British standard Whitworth.

If it's 1/2 inch 13 TPI that would be 1/2 inch UNC

Cheers
Max.

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hello Max,
Bought two nuts. $1. The bottom nyloc nut fits perfectly.
The top nut tightens up. It's not the right size. I checked the Pope manual diagrams and , the top nut in not mentioned........ It shows bottom nut size..
I will take mower in to try to fit another close size.
My top thread is good. It came with a nut on it ,but it was tight as well..wrong nut.
My base plate is not original, but it is 16mm hole so will do the job. It has Victa slot holes.... Must be a Victa. None of modern Victa ones fit.
I'll just plod on. get a nut.
thanks
speedy

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Hi Speedy,

I'll have a look at one of the Pope mowers here on Saturday to see what the top thread is.

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G'day Speedy

The motors that are missing the recoil starter are missing the right top nut because it's part of the starter assembly, the
nut can't be removed separately .

I couldn't find a 1/2 inch UNC nut here so just put a tap in a slightly smaller nut taking it out to 1/2 inch UNC ( 13 TPI)

The nut was a little tight to thread on the first time with a spanner but it threads on and off by fingers now.

So if the 1/2 UNC nut is tight you may have to put a tap in the nut or a 1/2 inch UNC Die nut on the crank.

Cheers
Max.

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Thanks Max, I 'll go to Bolt shop and see if I can get the American nut of correct size.
That's my first try.
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The guy at Bolt Place used thread gauge. 1/2 UNC. Perfect fit.
Now to next step, spark and carb.
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Got a problem with he Pope carb,so I put a Victa carb on with a bit of plumbing. Should supply fuel/air mixture to burn.
Next step is condensor.... I did a dummy run and got spark, so I'll tidy it up, or take Norms advice and put a module in........
Now I've got covid, I'm getting a few jobs done....can't go out.....no one in....you think.....

cheers speedy

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Hi speedy,
take it easy and get better soon.
exactly what I did with the little utility I'm getting back to doing what it was designed for smashing out long grass. No spark, so I just cut the kill switch wire going to the carby, connect a PT module to the wire and instantly good big spark. Still couldn't get a kick out of it so I will give it a hone and put a set of rings in it and it should fire up.
That carby setup you have will work no problems if everything else is up to scratch

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G'day Speedy and Norm

When we had lock downs and closed borders most people didn't know anyone with Covid but now everyone
knows someone with covid. Now you can chillax Speedy to get over covid, wishing you well.

The carby setup will run lean ,the Pope is 3.5 Hp but the Victa 125 is 1.5 Hp so you would need 2 Victa
carbies .

The Pope HP may be a SAE HP reading while the Victa 125 may be DIN HP but even so this would make
the 125 around 2 hp.

The Pope carby should be easily fixed if it's not broken or missing parts.

Cheers
Max.

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I soldered in a Victa condensor, I got a spark when I first tried it a while back, but no spark now. so I put in a module from some machine. it had two wires coming out, ,didn't work......
I took the module out of a Power Torque that was no good, and now I got spark. Bodgied up a fuel tank and used electric drill to start. Primed and used starter fluid, but it didn't fire...........
Thinking............... I will check the timing as it is explained how to do it in the manual I have...
thanks for wishes.
I feel ok.... slight cough
speedy

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Read up on timing..... but how do I set timing with no points??
I've timing is inside module... might have to try another module?
Or go back to points and condenser.
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Sorry speedy,
I can't give you any info on the Pope timing, I thought the module was designed to do that. One thing I have never tested is if a PT module will work on an old Briggs with points ignition .I assume it would work (don't have a motor here I could test it on at the moment, I have always just put a later Briggs coil on) Would like to know just the same and I don't think the timing is your issue, I'm thinking more like rings. I have an early sidethrow here that won't fire, bore looks ok with just one slight scoreline. It still has the old G3 carb on it but I can't get a hint of a fire with starter fluid. When I get a chance I will give it a hone and a set of rings and hopefully that will fire it up. Not sure if rings for your Pope are available

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Hello Norm,
Yes the module I have is IIDA EY850 off a powertorque which was running before it blew up.
I think it fits any two stroke... I see them on ebay for husqvarnas.
There is so much compression, the drill had difficulty turning over. I put oil in plug hole to lube it all. I had a spark, then I didn't have a spark. Maybe it's the coil. I'll recheck it all. I have been reading a lot about modules, even a lot on ODK. Getting confused, crazy and then go blank. You have got to
have it planned out what you are going to do in your mind first...... be relaxed, then work the plan....
There is a kill switch setup on the old G3 carb, maybe it's in that position....
I did lawn today after 8 days, ,dug and burnt another garden and planted silverbeet.......... Gee those lockdowns must have driven people really CRAZY..... We only had one here for short time couple of weeks ..... or so.
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Hi Speedy and Norm

I'd just use the points as I have seen different modules for different mowers so they can get the timing correct ,the Victa module
won't work with all coils.

I just got this Pope going ,checked the magnet on the flywheel that it was still magnetized ,filed the points ,tested the condenser
and adjusted the points and timing ,it started 4th go.

The Victa carby would make starting very difficult as I had the throttle position on the Pope carby on at least 3/4 on first start.
and the victa carby at full throttle would probably be equivalent to the pope on half throttle.

The motor on my Pope mower sounded like it was purring also sounded grunty but quiet but sounds terrible in the Video in comparison .



Cheers
Max.

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Nice sound Max.
I put the points back in with a newer Victa condenser. Then tried to set timing. Followed the instructions in the manual parts list....I couldn't get the 5/32 " clearance, it's retarded... Got a spark, changed the plug as it was firing all over the place.
I put the long tube on the starter spray as far into open carb. It fired 5 times...... hurrah..................
I'll put new spark plug in tomorrow. You machine looks a lot newer than mine.
I thought maybe something had crawled up exhuast over 30 years and built a nest or two......
Is no 4 pic the starter? I'm using electric starter but I have various pull starters around, even a rope....
I'll get some pics of my carb problem as well.
cheers
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If you can't get the timing to work because the coil plate is turned as much as it can to advance but isn't enough,
I think you can remove washers from one side of the points and fit to the other side, move the points closer to the cam
that will give a bigger gap then close the gap with the washers, where the green arrow is put more washers ,I've never needed to do this
but looks like it should work.

Yes wasn't a lot wrong with my Pope mower Speedy ,number 4 pic is the starter square drive.

Cheers
Max.

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