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#113963 31/01/22 03:09 PM
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Hi all
Found this in the kerb recently.. it was missing the starter and looked like it had been left out in the weather for some time. I was mainly interested in the tank and spares for my V40.
The remains of the sticker on the cowl looked like Hercules 400 ?... I cannot find a reference to this model...year anyone ?

BTW.. put a Sanli starter on it , cleaned out the carb and away it went.. no smoke !

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Kenny, Hercules was a bottom end Masport (or least the deck was masport) from the mid/late 2000's. Same motor as sanli

That mower would be approx 2013 and would have had a 550ex 140cc Briggs OHV which probably grenaded itself in short order.

Only thing I would worry about is shaft length

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Thanks Tyler... Air filter is proving a bit difficult to find

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503916 is the masport genuine part number, but prices are steep - better off finding a sanli or other chonda and using one of those housings

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Hi Kenny

Part number for complete Sanli Housing is 1P60-070000 it is availiable at the OutdoorKing store.

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Hi guys.. looks like I spoke too soon ..although it starts and revs well, It only does it for a few minutes !.. It acts like it is starving for fuel.. If it sits for a minute or so, then it will start straight away.. Carby has been thoroughly cleaned, several times now, new hoses and flush out of the tank, but the problem persists.. any ideas ?

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Hi Kenny_t,

Have you tried to remove the main jet nozzles and clean the tiny holes and clean the pilot jet? Check also the fuel filter if not block and mainly the tank fuel cap air vent might be blocked to cause vacuum. Try to run the engine with fuel tank cap open or loose to allow more fuel to flow.

CM

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Thanks CM.. done all of the above... very frustrating... luckily its not a priority...will swap over the carby if all else fails

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G'day kenny ,Tyler and CM

I usually run the motor with the air filter off then when the motor is running and it starts to die I give it a spray
of start ya bastard ,if the motor revs up with the starter fluid then I know it's a fuel supply problem but if the
motor still cuts out with starter fluid then I know it's a spark problem ,try a new spark plug and if that doesn't
work replace the coil.

I've had a lot of these that needed new coils ,classic coil problem is to get hot then break down.

Cheers
Max.

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It may not be the carburetor, if it starts and runs, than starts again after a few minutes it may be something to do with the engine heating up. I am not aware of the model but with older engines a faulty condensor could cause those symptoms, i have never experienced it with an electronic ignition.
A fuel line too close to the engine heating up and vaporizing the fuel is another possibility but it would not normally restart until it cooled for 15 to 30 minutes.
Air flow pushing the kill switch lead onto something, partially blocked crank case breather if it has one. I can see your going to get your money's worth out of this one.


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If you pull the fuel line from the tank, there is often another mesh straw filter stuck up the barbed fitting.

But as max says, tray a new plug - I had one give similar symptoms yesterday

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Ill try the plug idea... is there a plug
listing for this motor and the Victor V40... the one that came out is an NGK B8ES

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BPR6ES would be best

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OK..is that for both ?

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Bpr6es is a pretty general plug for honda/chonda. some do bpr5es but pretty well interchangeable

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Ok, now I have a bit of time Kenny, I checked a paper owners manual for the V40. It actually states bpr5es. Hercules I am not sure, but they are an identical motor - if you look up the hercules motor the v40 photos actually come up as well.

I have a 6es in my v40 and haven't observed any problems

Part of the problem arises when many of these manufacturers use torch spark plugs - whose heat range never perfectly lines up.

Sanli 118cc version of this motor comes with a FR6TC

If you look up FR6TC, it will say it interchanges with bosch WR7DC, which is a bpr6es (common for many cars as well - Camira use 6es and pretty sure valiant among others did as well). But then they also say BPR5ES

Honda had the courtesy of using the same plug in many things BPR6ES was in the old civics, and quite possibly some of their motor bikes.

Provided they have the protruded tip plug (P in NGK), I wouldn't worry about 1 heat range.

What I would be worry about is making sure the rpm isn't above 3100 - they like throwing rods


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