OutdoorKing Repair Forum Forums Restoring, Customising and Modifying Tech Talk 2 Stroke oils, Mineral v synthetic

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MF, out of interest, what is the JASO rating for the Aldi brand oil.

I am away at the moment, so can't tell you. It's blue in colour, does that help?

I have just been having a look, and know the one you mean. Only picture I could find was from 2017, and was small.

Its funny, it was on the same page as their mowers and trimmers - wonder how many of the ones they sold in 2017 are still running

It would have to be JASO FD grade. FA&FB are generally minerals or very poor semi-synthetic, most semis are FC and full synthetic are FD. I don't know how they come to the conclusion of of the ratings, but FD means very little ash and carbon build up is allowed.

From the MSDS (bearing in mind I am no chemist), I can see the flashpoint of the greenskeeper mineral oil (when it will burn) is 115 degrees, whereas full synth is 94 degrees. semi is in the middle at 97 degrees.
That means a more complete and clean burn (or at least thats my understanding)

G'day folks,

Just had a look at a bottle of that Aldi Gardenline full-synth 2-stroke oil out in the shed [marked as made 24/05/2017, in UAE], and it doesn't list any Industry Specs compliances at all! Just a list of seven product codes, of Gardenline products with two stroke engines, to which it is suited.

Not only that, the same Aldi product code, 51773, is also used for the 4-stroke oil....

Interestingly, the support/info website listed on the bottle [www.powertoolsupport.com] and its successor, www.extrabattery.com.au, are both now defunct.
However, a look at archived copies over at The Wayback Machine revealed that they hosted nil info on the oils anyway.

And, those websites were also the spare parts source for the Gardenline OPE machines.

From memory Toolhub, or toolclub is now the distributer of aldi gardenline parts

Help.tools (tool klub) is now called positec (what a load of BS).

Their number is 1800 909 909 - which gives a pretty good indication that it all stems from 909 tools - the old masters brand that was previously GMC.

And so the plot thickens

Now this really annoys me. Positec make Worx and Rockwell tools. And they must be somehow related to 909 Gardenline.

Yet on their website they claim how they are devoting 'ourselves to ridding the world of these pollution-pumping petrol parasites by promoting a full-line of electric and battery-powered lawn equipment that is emission-free. '

Yet they have their name on the top of a webpage that sells petrol mower parts

Hypocrites

As long as my Victa, Ryobi and Mitsubishi petrol equipment don't blow up, I'll be satisfied.

I have been looking at this topic over the past week, and from what I can find, JASO FB, FC & FD all have the same lubrication, but FD improves exhaust smoke & carbon deposits. Husqvarna semi-synth LS+ oil is FD despite being only a semi. $14 a litre roughly.

As a side note, I have been reading a 1978 paper that was arguing for a standardised system of measuring 2 stroke oils. They proposed a garden standard (using a mac chainsaw for measurements), a motor bike standard (using 180cc Vespa) and a outboard standard (using yamaha something).

Might have to start a 4 stroke oil thread now to discuss car oil v SAE 30 mower oil

Hi Tyler,

I'm noticing that quite a few of the stationary engines manufacturers are now specifying Automotive oil and not the older format SAE30 oils.

Briggs is just one of them while Honda are also part of this change, but in saying that they are still marketing it in containers using a different label which points it towards the mower industry. Many companies of other types of items that are usable in both the Marine and Automotive industry have exactly the same item inside the packaging but just sporting a different label.

It's called "Marketing" so they tell me ???

Cheers,
BB.

Reminds me of power steer fluid and ATF. 500ml of power steer fluid cost the same as a litre of ATF on the same shelf. Exactly the same stuff.

Hi MF,

That's my exact point, which more expensive horses for Royal Randwick courses. LOL !

Cheers,
BB.

And that is why I have always just used engine oil in my 2 strokes, never bought a bottle of 2 stroke oil in my life.

Which is fine when engine are using pressurize oil systems as the detergents will suspense the contaminates other than metal chunks for the oil filter to catch. Here Briggs is switching from the 5W30 synthetic recommendation to a 15W50 synthetic due to better upper heat range. Still should use the SAE30 non detergent for non pressurized as contaminates will settle to the bottom on the engine. Also need to continue to the 5W30 for below freezing operations as it makes starting easier.

So that is what the blue haze from the West is. Norm cutting grass.

Hmm, one way to use up some used engine oil. Do you just use any multigrade or monograde oil lying around?
Would used engine oil be detrimental and do you use the same ratio of 25:1 or whatever other specified ratio?

I don't think that using used engine oil would be such a good idea, I probably have a couple of hundred liters sitting here, always a pain to get rid of.I did know a bloke who had an oil burning paddle steamer up on the Murray, I think it was called the Iron Maiden, but I haven't seen him for a couple of years. I might have to chase him up again so I can get rid of the oil I have here, that is unless the greenies have tracked him down and put paid to his little steamer.

What about the ratio and type of engine oil?
I imagine the greenies (or watermelons -red inside) would have a fit. Then again they always find something to gripe about with people going about their lives normally.

I just run everything 25 to 1 keeps it simple and whatever engine oil I have here at the time

And they never blow up, score the piston or smoke much?