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Thanks Norm, I have to get around to fixing a FC side pull Commando (already has EI standard). I have a spare PT module in the spares cupboard, so I will fit that.

Thanks again
Tyler

Might want to clarify this. You are wanting to disable the point system by disconnecting it. You can the points in place; unless, you have the cap off pin for the points push pin. You will still need the kill switch connected if you wish for it the kill the engine when needed.

Not sure what you mean there AVB, with these the coil is inside the flywheel so to avoid removing it, where the wire comes out of the crankcase (this wire goes to the kill switch), just cut this wire, connect this wire to the module and also run another wire from this point to the kill switch. The points and condenser inside become redundant and can just be left there

Hmmm Let me ask this then isn't the points and condenser located under the flywheel too?. My understanding points/condenser systems is that points are use to trigger the coil. If using a Nova II or Atom ignitor you want break the circuit between the points/condenser and coil. Once ignitor is attached to the coil the magnetic pulse in the coil's primary winding trigger the module. Having both the ignitor and points/condenser working at the same time could have some unintended operations.

Of course I haven't the FC engine setup so points/condenser maybe outside the flywheel.

Hi AVB, I have only done this module conversion if there is no stark so obviously either the points or condenser has failed, so there is no interference from the original ignition.Not sure how it works but it does. Points and condenser are inside the flyeheel

Norm, Here is the instructions for the universal version of the ignitor. There are some out there that only as either negative ground or positive ground with most being negative ground.

Hi AVB, the modules we are playing with are only single terminal so I assume they are negative earth. In the diagram it shows cutting the wire and therefore isolating the points/condenser, but with what I have been working on to cut that wire involves removing the flywheel, that involves drilling and tapping the flywheel to fit the puller. I tried just cutting the kill switch wire and connecting the module to that wire and it works fine. I have done several like that now and they work perfectly

Can't argue with what works. Just remember if you run a cross a old cast iron block Briggs that need a module they are positive ground systems.

AVB with the Briggs I would not bother fitting a module, just much easier to fit a later coil and problem solved

That the problem Norm the old cast iron block will not work with with the newer Magnetron ignition coils as the coils are negative ground. The flywheel magnet poles are reversed on these old cast iron block engines. Now most of the newer Briggs with aluminum blocks are negative ground with why the newer Magnetron coils work fine.

When I refer to cast iron block it is the same as crankcase. It not the same as the IC cast iron sleeved cylinders.

Ok got that now I don't think I have come across an old cast iron block so probably why I have not come up against the problem

Went past the mower shop a couple of times this week. First time there was two powertorque mowers, both with those junk steel bases, out of about eight mowers. Today one powertorque out of about twelve customer's mowers, the rest were insipid four strokes mostly pumped out by you know who. The PT was one of the ones I saw the other time.

The rate over here (out of about 20 mowers) was - 2 tecumseh, 2 chonda, 4-5 honda, 1 chinese block PT on steel base, 1 125cc on an edger.

The rest was briggs

Nice to hear of a couple of Tecumseh machines. Keeps the Briggs at bay!!

It will be interesting to see where the trend heads, will Briggs maintain the majority of sales, will the Chondas take over or will people be swayed by the Victa name with a Briggs on it. I don't think Tecumesh has any brand following, most people would not have heard of it.

G'day all members

I am compelled to say something here...

Briggs is a survivor.
Their history shows that ...

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/u...iggs-stratton-history-1980s-booklet.html

The thing is, Briggs have copied other great makes - like Honda -
in entering end-product production.

Second, it has bought key end-user garden product makers.

Briggs owns a number of key garden product brands.
Most importantly, it is a full-line maker of small engines.

I'm not sure who else does that today.
I would describe Briggs as a tenacious Terrier.

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Jack

A guy was using a bottom tier Lawnkeeper by Victa with a Briggs yesterday and the air pump certainly sounded good for a Chinese made 60 year old design.
Briggs & Stratton are probably record holders for employing such an old engine casting so long.

G'day there Tyler,

I was reading through this thread and I noticed that you were working on this mower a while ago, I was just wondering did this mower still have the original "commando" decal on it?

I am trying to find one of these that still might have the decal on it to maybe take a photo and measure the dimensions to make a copy of the decal to put back onto my mower.

It's been a while since you posted this but any help would be much appreciated. I am thinking it was the same mower as the one in my avatar, it's my original FC side pull Commando.

Cheers!