thanks you i just picked up a victa 18 and it,s not in the best of condition but has good compression and still turns over but its a project what more can i ask for but i,m also not sure on the model and i wish i had a clue where to start but i,m sure someone will help out and hopefully i can learn a thing or 2 i have always wanted an old victa 18 and i,m best off starting now before the parts become to hard to find