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First up is a litle mk10, its a fairly late model owin to the square original fuel tank. I remember buying this with a victa 18 for $70, it did run quite well last time I fired it up....

Second (the orange one) Is a mk12/2 it runs okay, cant remember how much I paid, but a good little engine none the less.

Third the greyish silver mark 12/2, got it last weekend for $30, was completely seized due to a huge mudwasp nest in the pump and cowling, cleaned them bastards out, cleaned and reset the points and ignition timing and it runs like a champ.

Fouth is the big ass rusty mk25, its all there and has good compression. I have never run it. Bought for $10 at an auction a few months ago........

Fifth, a biggish mk20, in very good condition, I have still not run it.

Sixth, a norton villiers, been hacked around a bit but still runs sweet, the big muffler on it makes it whisper quiet.

Seventh, the rusty grey mk20, my very first villiers, was seized solid when I got it, I pulled it apart, cleaned the bore with sandpaper, reassembled, guessed the timing, etc and it runs like new. even with my rough jobat cleaning the cylinder it still uses no noticable amount of oil!



Lastly, a sad basket case waiting for me to put together. I bought new crank seals and bearings, just gotta get time to put it together....

That's quite a nice little collection there Joe, I love the Little Norton, looks a bit funny with that muffler on it.

And that MK25 looks huge, what capacity is it?

the mk25 i think is around the 200-250cc range, they have huge cowlings on them to help with cooling I belive, inside they are tiny...

Wow, over 200 still seems pretty big to me (remember, I come from Victa land)

There is an old stationary engine for sale in goulburn, I think it is well over priced, and possibly seized, however, i will get a few photo's next time, and pop it in the gallery, it is an interesting old machine!

Just gave away a Mk40 that we used on a bulk grain elevator when bulk started in this district many years ago.
A young lad is collecting small engines and Villiers are good ones to start off with. He has a Mk 10, and now the Mk 40.
I can tell you it was a lot better emptying the bags into a hopper than lumping the flamin' bags off a G-Well bag loader.
The Mk 40 stood abour 2 foot tall and ran a post hole borer in later life. It had a flappy doodah (technical term) operating on the carby - like the G2 does Mr Davis.
Stationary

That sounds like a governor vane stationary, as the engine speeds up, the wind from the fan pushes that flap, and it closes the throttle a bit. This helps prevent over revving in no load situations.

The when load is applied, the engine slows, and the air on the flap is less, so the spring pulls it back, and the throttle opens more, to rev the engine, and cope with the load.

At least that's what the flappy doodah is on that Victa G32 carburetor!

On my busted up mk20 the internal govenor is broken, it does however thump away at idle happily and rev up nicely if you work the throttle manually, if I have the govenor spring attached it just screams. It did however get crushed by a front end loader when I found it though, so it made a good comeback with some panel work from myself....

Sounds like it's had a bit of a rough life, I do love hearing about salvation of damaged engines.

Do you think you will get to the gov. one day?

Maybe... its hard though as I would probably need to wreck another potentially repairable engine to fix this one. As it is You can manually adjust engine speed now

Sounds fine to me, Maybe on day the parts will come along (if i ever find anything suitable, you will hear about it) but as long as its working, I cant see a problem, not to mention, there are a few applications where the govenor is not really needed.

I thought the Mk of a VIlliers was the cc's

12=120
20=200
25=250

etc.

The later ones its a bit different. 412 is 120, 425 is 250 and so on.

The ouput on the 4** is about half way between the std motor and the HS version.

Dont quote me, im no expert, thats just what i thought i had worked out with what little looking into it ive done.

I havent fully looked into it, but did the Pom's use centimeters back when these things were first made? One day when I have more time for them I will work everything out...

Heres a link i found saved in my favourites.
I just looked some stuff up and found it in there.

http://www.isdm.co.uk/VI62/engineAsp/enginetypes.htm'

and info on some engines, power output etc\

http://www.asecc.com/data/villersdata.html

With the flooding around the place I serviced both engines with the pumps attached, had them running like new ready to battle, in the end we didn't need them but they are ready for next time

Joe, you're a good boy scout....who's motto is "be prepared"!!

Many people doubt the old Pom motors but when both started first go before the rope was even off the pulley I felt pretty safe

Hi bluedog007, Here is some info (spare parts and manual) for your Mk 10 Villiers.
Hoping this will help you.
Please post here with any questions you may have.

Last week I started work on the mark 12 villiers I bought as a basket case, turns out one lobe on the cam is f##ked, I have a bit of work to do anyway, I do realise I got a bit of paint on the bore and valve seat, all will be lapped, honed and cleaned anyway, with the state the camshafts in it will run, but I would never put it back into 100% use like I would with any other.

This thing was horrible, the sludge in the sump had actually blocked the oil feed hole to the oil dipper well, so one can only wonder how long it was poorly lubricated from.

I have started cleaning up the head surface of the block, lapped the valves and refitted, pressed in a brand new main bearing for the output side and a brand new oil seal.

Tomorrow I hope to fit the crankshaft, govenor, cam, etc. as I only have a parts list and operating instruction manual everything is trial and error at what part goes in first.