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#119963 09/11/24 07:09 PM
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Hi guys long time occasional reader.

I've been running victa mowers for about 15 years now as daily's
Mostly half cranks but have a few full cranks.

I have a G3 carb vc160S or whatever its called with a slight cold start rattle but runs good otherwise but perhaps a little gutless(discovered today decomp is toast) so probably why.

I have a vc mustang G4 that got a big old rod knock a few years ago so parked it up for an engine swap.

Today swapped on another engine and all is well although a faint kinda squeal sound but runs great. Not sure what that is but no play no rattle.

Anyway I'm thinking I'd like to build a nice full crank or two and I can't seem to find much in the way of big end bearings??

Is there a common easy source for these?

I have another lucky dip engine sitting there and a runner but an over revver (crank seals) and who knows what with a clutch welded do the crank so it's buggerd.

I'd like to run these old girls till I croak and I'm 37 smile

Mid 80s powertorques are my other favourites but just not the same

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I pulled the barrel off and that big end is fine so perhaps its just a rattly piston. The decompressor is knackered though. The bore is lovely. Bearings n piston I guess n see how it goes

The VC160S seems to still be quite gutless with a good decompressor. It never wants to clean up n to stroke no matter how much I load it up the G4 carbed engine walks all over it. The G3 seems to be governed fine it doesn't over rev but also doesn't seem to realy give it the jandal when it needs too. I do remember years ago playing with its setting and never could get it to 2 stroke properly. Is there a trick? Do I need to change its setting and just run it half throttle or something?

Everyone seems to hate the plastic carb but my experience is the exact opposite. I play with springs n extra washers in the G4 to get it to idle right and the adjuster knob. Not sure on the hate I think they are quite good.

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Hi Jethro,

With the full crank motor big end ,I saw someone saying this fits HK1616F - NTN but haven't tried one.

The later full crank can be fitted with a power Torque conrod and big end / small end bearings and piston.

The G3 ,I've had a few if there is the slightest kink in the snorkel the engine losses power ,probably
the restricted air flow changes the air fuel ratio too much and most likely is why later models had a plastic coiled
intake pipe like on a vacuum cleaner.

The G4 can be fitted to a G3 motor if you make a spigot.

Cheers
Max.

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I fit the plastic intake manifold off the later full cranks, I drill and tap the manifold in through the old decomp hole and JB Weld on the inside of the manifold before I push it on and grub screw it in place

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Originally Posted by maxwestern
Hi Jethro,

With the full crank motor big end ,I saw someone saying this fits HK1616F - NTN but haven't tried one.

The later full crank can be fitted with a power Torque conrod and big end / small end bearings and piston.

The G3 ,I've had a few if there is the slightest kink in the snorkel the engine losses power ,probably
the restricted air flow changes the air fuel ratio too much and most likely is why later models had a plastic coiled
intake pipe like on a vacuum cleaner.

The G4 can be fitted to a G3 motor if you make a spigot.

Cheers
Max.

Thanks mate. smile glad to see some victa guys still around on here. Was starting to worry I'd missed the boat. Interesting on the conrod from the PT engine. I'd still have to press the crank obviously but you reckon the pin is same size?

Thankfully the big end feels fine in the end. Certainly didn't sound like it.

Originally Posted by NormK
I fit the plastic intake manifold off the later full cranks, I drill and tap the manifold in through the old decomp hole and JB Weld on the inside of the manifold before I push it on and grub screw it in place

Norm this had crossed my mind also. Not thr grumpy screw though that would be perfect. I do have a g4 cylinder I could just throw on it too I guess.


I'm sure that g3 could be sorted as everyone seems to rave about them. Just doesn't seem to be working quite right. Not giving it the berries in the long grass. It's working in respect of reving up from idle n dropping back to its governed speed slightly but yeah not throttle up under load.

How do I post pictures?

My vc sports is called a VC160S on the badge and I can't seem to find that sticker anywhere online. It's all vc sports

My mustang is pretty nice although my biggest gripe is the catcher is faded and crazy cracked but intact. I have another fadded green 1 I tried to rattle can but the green is way off 🤣

I have 3 nice orange ones for the sports though and all have the magic eyes. Seems they are hard to get. I have 1 fuel gauge cap still intact. Well it did break off up high so I shortened it up a little n fitted it back in the cap

50 years old now and most have been scrapped with a dead plug frown

Sad reality of victas. A dead plug n old gas n they get trashed. 10 bucks and they would last another 6 bunnings warehouse mowers lifetimes

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I love old stuff

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Originally Posted by Jethro2T
I'd still have to press the crank obviously but you reckon the pin is same size?

I'd say so but I've never checked to see, I had a Victa mower shop repairer tell me he has fitted the Power Torque
conrod to a full crank motor.

Cheers
Max.

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Hmm ok:) I might have a measure up of an old PT. Got a bunch of those lying about

Have been toying with the idea of using two PTs in an old Ride on smile just side by side with a belt between. Starting will be interesting. I dunno if its been done before. Probably has but nothing online.

Full cranks be nicer but running low on those 🤣

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Hi Jethro,
I was toying with that idea a few years ago for a mate who had a property that was very steep in Pakenham but he ended up selling it because it was just too hard to mow

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Originally Posted by Jethro2T
Have been toying with the idea of using two PTs in an old Ride on smile just side by side with a belt between. Starting will be interesting. I dunno if its been done before. Probably has but nothing online.

Full cranks be nicer but running low on those 🤣

Starting will be easier if you use full crank motors and only one starter.

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I think with a belt it would still effectively do the same thing.

Full cranks would be nicer for sure but just don't have the supply of them now days sadly.

But yeah be good for steep stuff.

Interesting other crazy people have considered a crazy twin victa ride on 🤣

I have another question.

What's the story with these bag style catchers? I've only seen two of them so far. Nothing online at all I can find

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That twin setup is very cool I do like that alot

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Hi Jethro,
My idea was worse than that, I was thinking 3 Victas wide with the centre one set back to pick up the overlap between the 2 further forward, otherwise you end up with a strip between the 2 decks. Then I woke up and stopped dreaming about things that cost me a million hours

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Hi Norm

Now I see what you were thinking 🤣 that can work as a tow mower for sure. I have seen a setup behind a atv with sort of same idea. This guy had a tow hitch on each mower and ran them on a diagonal so like corner to corner. As ducks would fly I suppose

I was thinking strip the dead 4Stroke off a ride on preferably an old cox as I like the drive setup then plant two victas on the engine deck n join up a couple with a belt then carry on as normal. I'm no good at mathes but 320cc 2 stroke smokey goodness should do ok I reckon. Not sure if I'd need to build some flywheel weight into this or not but it's possible if need be

The cool thing is the guy where I get my mowers is a scrap hunter and goes around all the scrappies or they ring him also happens to hate Victas 🤣 it's umm quite nice cos I can't stand 4 strokes. My cox is a kohler as I have no choice.

Dang I'd love a good big old victa walk behind.

Hmmm I have a couple spare masport 600mm walk behinds 🤔

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Hi Jethro,
I just had to do some work on a Cox with a Kohler motor on it, great motor but what a pig of a thing to get an oil filter for it.
I also love rebuilding the old Victa 24's, think I still have 7 of them here, hell of a lot of work getting them back into service but the satisfaction of keeping the going is worth it.
The Masports seem to be ok with the bigger 4 strokes, but shouldn't be too hard to fit a 2 stroke to them. Just remember if you fit a PT to anything like that you must add up to 2 kg to the crankshaft, that turns them into a mean machine

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Hi Jethro and Norm,

Three two stokes could get expensive to run probably a litre an hour ,a V8 uses a litre an hour.

The block here that I mow the back yard is 15 degrees and quarter acre of grass ,I tried ride on mowers
and it wasn't easy getting down tracks and around trees ,so I ended up using a quad bike with a tow mower
and is much easier and more reliable and most likely all up cost of $30.These Chinese bikes with 125 cc
motors are always getting thrown out .I just had to fit a smaller front sprocket so I can mow at walking speed
up hills.

It's easier with just one mower for me because of the trees I need to mow around.

Ride on mower manufacturers recommend not mowing on a slope more than 10 degrees.

Cheers
Max.

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Yes Max, it was just another one of my wild ideas and another one was to fit a 38 inch Ariens deck on the back of a mates Honda ATV but it was just too heavy to turn around so we will probably scrap that one. Worked fine but too heavy to steer, it was a bigger one not one of the smaller Chinese ones

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Too heavy to steer on a Honda ATV Norm, it must be because it's set up similar to 3 point linkage on a tractor with
the weight on the back of the ATV instead of the weight supporting itself like with a trailer.

Over 30 years ago I made a small tow tractor with a 5 hp motor and geared it down and it has no problem towing
250 kg up a 15 degree dirt slope and steers without a problem with bald small front wheels.It has a rear CIG locked diff but still turns good.

I've never tried towing more weight than 250 Kg with this tow tractor.

Cheers
Max.

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Hi Norm,

I was just thinking about the heavy steering on the ATV ,it may not be only the weight of the slasher making steering
hard as these ATV bikes can be difficult to steer at walking speeds and that's what it's mostly doing when you cut grass .

The one thing I've found with the small Chinese quad bikes is they are easy to steer at walking speed

I guess it's not worth trying to make power steering for the ATV.

Cheers
Max.

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