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Tsuk #118242 21/05/23 11:03 AM
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For sure MF getting 14 running is easy, when they are in your own hands, if one gives a little problem you can easily fix it, but when they are out of your control and people leave the fuel on and the needle doesn't seat properly and you end up with a tank of fuel going into the motor, or the motor revs up and down because the needle is not flowing properly or it is getting stuck in the seat, all easy problems to fix if it is one of your mowers but the majority of people just want a reliable mower they can walk out and start whenever they want to. I can't achieve this with the garbage float needles and primer caps that are available. Every so often I get one that works perfectly every time but the percentage of failures is way too high for me to be bothered with them anymore

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Tsuk #118243 21/05/23 12:26 PM
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I have a tonne of the old orange genuine victa needles and have found the filing to have done more for reliability than anything else. It helps the plastic ones markedly and I am only rarely having problems.

The overrevving is more annoying, but easy to do Norms mod

Tsuk #118244 21/05/23 12:59 PM
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Hi Tyler,
are you talking about filing the seat on the new caps?

Tsuk #118245 21/05/23 01:21 PM
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Exactly Norm, I find it makes a massive difference now we know about it

Tsuk #118246 21/05/23 08:17 PM
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Hi Tyler.
I file the seat, then polish with Autosol but I still have problems. Once I get one settled down and seemingly working well I still need to prove to myself that it will continue working before I sell it and that involves mowing a number of lawns which I don't have. It is a catch 22, not worth selling if I haven't tested them fully. Getting them running is no guarantee they will continue to work

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Hi guys, I found this. Dos it look right?

My repair guy has said he has seen a diaphragm washer between the return spring and the diaphragm. My carb hasn't got one? is it a mod and do i need one. Anyone know the part number or where I can get one, if needed.

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Tsuk #118259 24/05/23 09:11 AM
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Hi Tsuk,
as has been said the critical components are the float needle and the primer cap and the difficulty is getting a pair that will work. When they work they are excellent but buying new stuff of the shelf is just so hit and miss

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Hi guys,

Depends on the carby model ,some have a small brass washer on the plastic spigot to make the carby idle ,when
the cam wears the engine over revs and the washer brings the revs down.

Some early carbs have a c clip on the diaphragm but others have a much larger clip that looks like a washer.

Cheers
Max.

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Tsuk #118266 24/05/23 05:24 PM
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Thanks guys, ill keep you posted....I am determined to bring my Victa back to life!

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Wish I could be more positive about these Tusk but I am concerned about the cost of these float needles and primer caps being sent at great postage costs and then they may not work

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Tsuk #118296 30/05/23 08:28 PM
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Hi Guys,

Update!
Carb fully rebuilt and looking good however, we now have a intermittent spark, so looking at the points. Next problem.....we can not shift the nut on the flywheel to get to the points. We have tried using penetrating fluid, air impact guy, but its seized solid!

Anybody out there got any suggestions please?

Tsuk #118297 30/05/23 08:55 PM
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A more powerful impact gun. It should zip off unless some prankster stuck a bead of weld there. Then you have the fan to remove. I suggest a three arm puller. I've broken a stubborn one using a two arm job.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
Tsuk #118298 31/05/23 03:05 AM
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First thing i would ask is which penetrating oil - if its just wd40 it wont do the job. something like RP90 or loctite freeze and release would give better luck. it is also a shoulder nut so soak around the nut as well as the thread.

Tsuk #118300 31/05/23 09:32 AM
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I would forget about removing the fanwheel, forget about the points and condenser and just fit an ignition module. So much simpler and easier.

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Tsuk #118301 31/05/23 10:54 AM
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I'm totally with NormK there. It just requires one wire cut IIRC. Could you refresh our memory NK?

In a 1981 Victa catalogue they were actually featuring electronic ignition models as slightly more expensive than the points version of the 160 two stroke.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
Tsuk #118303 31/05/23 12:00 PM
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Hi MF,
you just cut the kill switch wire and connect the module into that wire. and earth the module body to the metalwork somewhere

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Thanks guys...there is still hope!

Do we have a part number or preferred electronic ignition so I can search in the UK? Anything that could help would be appreciated guys.

Tsuk #118315 02/06/23 12:47 AM
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Me, I just get one off a trashed Victa Powertorque engine as they outputted millions of the things.
That's how I got a side pull full crank going as it's module died.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
Tsuk #118319 02/06/23 09:16 AM
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Hi Tusk,
Problem is postage to the UK is cost prohibitive but you can try this bloke if you really want one. Thing is out here we get these 2 stroke mowers off the side of the road all the time.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/234632190585?

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Tsuk #118338 04/06/23 07:04 PM
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Positive update!!

We have managed to remove the nut and flywheel.

Set the point to 20 they were pitted and at 25!

Got a problem with the starter now as the drum is very worn so the pawl's are not gripping to turn the flywheel.......I have ordered a new one.

Keep you guys posted.

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