Thanks Patrick I was way ahead on this one and I fitted a rec/reg from an Enfield right at the start but that didn't sort it out. The startor looks fine, nothing appears wrong, and yesterday I did get a spike of 19 volts A/C but the rest of the time it hovers at around the 8/9 volts A/C. I know I'm being fussy with it but if it is supposed to work I would like it to work. It is only for starting and it fires instantly on the starter so it draws very little. I guess if I mounted a solar panel on the bonnet that would be enough to top the battery up but I don't think Jack would be impressed. laugh