thanks guys well thats good news about the depth i havnt got a map gas torch but one of the guys at work gave me a can of Rost Off Ice apparently its good stuff for locked up nuts and and bolts. the main resion i,m asking is its one of the very few i have seen for sale and its like 2 hours drive to go get it i thought i could turn it into a nice day down the south coast but i dont want to come back empty handed lol