Nice work Unkie, But all this good Model 4 info is getting spread over too many Threads, with the info here and in the tread I started with my new 18's that sort of got swung around plus info in other threads needs to be put in one place as Blue suggested, is there a moderator who can grab this info quickly and put into a specific model 4 Thread rather than all contibutors having to manualy type it all out again???? or I am willing to if advised how to.