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#78740 16/10/16 04:57 PM
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Hi,

I just purchased this at auction (for NZ$80) and want to strip and rebuild. Motor seems good (B&S 127cc/3hp) but need advice on how to:

1. Remove drive chain sprocket - what does the tool look like and how do I hold the roller assembly still, while I unscrew the LH threaded sprockets? The sprocket has two holes in it. Are these to aid removal?
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1a. Reel sprocket - This two two sprockets welded together. I can see that I need to insert wood into reel to hold that, but how does the double sprocket get removed - what does that tool look like? Assume it too is LH thread. I tried a chain oil filter removal tool, but simply bent the handle of the tool.
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2. How to dismantle centrifugal clutch which seems to be sealed by having the bolts heads peened over. Special tools required?
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3. The clutch friction plate has grease on it, but cleans up OK in turps. Is it worth getting the friction material replaced?

4. Any idea on colour or type of paint to match it back to the original?

I have made a tool to remove the clutch plate assembly already (an old padlock hasp and spanner through it to act as a lever!)

Finally, the mower bed has a double helix blade, which is different to almost all the photos I have seen on your forums. I assume from other photos it is also a Ransome unit. Any idea where I can get new riverts to replace (after sharpening) the bottom blade?

Overall it seems quite unworn, with the plastic chain tensioners still in very good condition.

Soooo glad I stumbled across your forums early on in the rebuild.

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OliverM #78748 17/10/16 12:07 AM
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1. Remove drive chain sprocket - what does the tool look like and how do I hold the roller assembly still, while I unscrew the LH threaded sprockets? The sprocket has two holes in it. Are these to aid removal?
Hello Oliver
No tool is listed for the landroll sprocket removal.
However, this may help:-
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1a. Reel sprocket - This two two sprockets welded together. I can see that I need to insert wood into reel to hold that, but how does the double sprocket get removed - what does that tool look like? Assume it too is LH thread. I tried a chain oil filter removal tool, but simply bent the handle of the tool.
Usually a shock with a soft wood is sufficient.
However, here is an alternate method:-
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2. How to dismantle centrifugal clutch which seems to be sealed by having the bolts heads peened over. Special tools required?
I'm not sure. This was a significant change from the larger,
serviceable Ransomes one. Here is some Masport info:-
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3. The clutch friction plate has grease on it, but cleans up OK in turps. Is it worth getting the friction material replaced?
If it is sufficiently thick it should be okay. They can readily withstand
some grease or oil impregnation.

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4. Any idea on colour or type of paint to match it back to the original?
No. I guess a colour match will be the only way.

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I have made a tool to remove the clutch plate assembly already (an old padlock hasp and spanner through it to act as a lever!)
Well that's clever. Any photo of the improvised tool?

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Finally, the mower bed has a double helix blade, which is different to almost all the photos I have seen on your forums. I assume from other photos it is also a Ransome unit. Any idea where I can get new riverts to replace (after sharpening) the bottom blade?
It is uncertain who first patented the double helix. Ransomes were
using them late 19th and early 20th century. Masport used the double
helix from the early days - with their own design (not Ransomes).

Only Morrison and Victa appear to have used the double helix on
their copies of the Ransomes. Ransomes, themselves, were not using
the double helix at all on post WWII mowers!

Rivets are problematic - the later owner of Morrison changed to
conventional screws. Ransomes never used rivets on the equivalent model.
I can find no reference to the size required. A fastener supplier
should have them as 'solid rivets':-

http://www.mainlandfasteners.co.nz/1497/Rivets

I hope the resto goes well.
Please keep us informed as to progress.

Hope this helps.
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Jack



OliverM #79295 15/11/16 02:54 AM
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Hello ODK members

I post this second reply out of total annoyment.
A one-poster comes on these forums and asks multiple questions.

A considered reply is given ... yet no recognition (or thank you)
is given in reply. This is against the ethos and spirit of ODK.

I apologise if any ODK member has experienced this.
This site is driven by voluntary folk offering free information
in good will. Recognition is the thank you, and it is part of the
manners expected here.

I hope OliverM is not an example of social media's Oliver's Army of
disrespect. Disappointing.

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Jack




OliverM #79302 15/11/16 05:37 AM
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G'day Jack,

You obviously spent a huge amount of time researching and compiling the reply and the frustration of it just going into the ether with nothing to show for it must be huge.

From the few assistance posts I've made I appreciate that sometimes hours can go into research etc in an effort to help. And of course you and the other moderators (past and present) do it regularly. The time cost must be huge and I'd like to voice my own appreciation for what y'all do.

And even though I don't acknowledge most of the research and history items you post, I read every one of them, find all of them interesting and always look forward to the next one. They are very much appreciated. Many, Many Thanks! smile






OliverM #79303 15/11/16 05:56 AM
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Well said prd, I too find the research and the history write ups absolutely fascinating, and the research must take a huge effort. Well done Jack


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