OutdoorKing Repair Forum Forums Repairs and Maintenance Questions on Engines Questions On Briggs & Stratton Engines Briggs 391413 kit alternative

Have continued working on my old Victa Monaro.

Problem is the tanks warped so runs very rich.

Easy solution is #391413 roll pin and washer kit - problem is the kit is no longer available. One shop offered to sell me 10 kits for $90 but I don't really like that much - I only need a few for this and other ones

I would convert to pulsaprime, but I want to keep the monaro plate - which would block the primer

I've got roll pins which will fit, but I have never seen the washer. How thin is it?

What alternatives are there?

Thanks

The 391413 has been superseded to 4184 kit of 10 ea.

[img]https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/f2...h=450&odnHeight=450&odnBg=ffffff[/img]

Boy what a markup, here they are 8.75 usd for the kit.

AVB,
Good to hear from you, was getting a bit concerned, bloody grim situation in the US, just keep your head down and stay away from everybody

G'day Tyler,

Amazon AU will sell you the 10-pack a good deal cheaper than that quote;
https://www.amazon.com.au/Briggs-Stratton-4184-10-Pack-Overhaul/dp/B0038U3M4A

I'd be surprised if Bruce at the ODK Shop couldn't supply a single kit, though - worth an e-mail, I'd say.

The other thing is, is the tank top sheetmetal, or cast zinc alloy?

The cast alloy ones can usually be lapped flat again, using a piece of fine wet&dry abrasive paper [water or kero/turps wetted] backed by a glass sheet [for a flat reference surface].

Good to hear from you, AVB. This surely is a time, when being a bit of a hermit has its advantages!

Thanks guys

Gadge, I am quite sure it is cast alloy - it is the older square carby, not the later autochoke one with effectively the same shape as the pulsaprime.

I think I will just get that off amazon - only thing that worries me is the review at the bottom. That way I will have a few in the kit for future when they get really scarce.


Also good to hear from AVB - hope everything is going alright in your neck of the woods

G'day Tyler,
It's super easy to check this - if a magnet won't stick to it, it's indeed the zinc alloy one.

Oh anybody is showing their behinds. Apparently they threw out all common sense here. Personally I getting a little tired of being treated like a plague carrier. I couldn't even get waited on yesterday a drugstore where I am needing my blood pressure meds refilled and Walmart is treating their customers like lab rats putting us through maze and daring us to back up. So I haven't been grocery shopping in two plus weeks.

I still running my shop the same way I have always done. Just using common sense when customers come in.

Thanks Gadge - the problem is I was moving stuff and it ended up 5 deep haha. Pulled it out 5 minutes ago - its steel

Hey fellows,

I hate that black soot accumulation. This four stroke option was plainly an afterthought for Victa in this era.
Not to mention the put foot here sticker. It looks like that was the only orientation that would fit or the fuel tank would be too tucked away beneath the arch or both.
An exhaust direction pipe would have been too expensive to produce?

I hate the black soot as well MF - but its next to impossible to get off - this one was actually chunky black

The later ones had the little sheet metal deflector on the exhaust outlet, but they still do soot up

I think if put on the way it should be (spark plug front) the tank would cut into the high arch by about 5 mm.

How do I know - I saw the result of someone doing it. They angle ground part of the arch out to fit the tank in

Pity Briggs couldn't accommodate Victa with a tank with a beveled corner or modify the arch slightly to allow clearance instead of cheaping out.
The later Vortex type base had a skinnier grass chute that allowed a Briggs to be fitted the right way.

AVB,
I went to Enzed today to get a couple of hydraulic hoses made up and a few fittings, had a sign on the door only one customer allowed in the shop, wait outside and we will call you in. Then you have to get up close to explain exactly what it is you want

Nah, just that Victa cheaped out by not fitting one. Briggs list an extensive range of 'exhaust deflectors' in their Accessories cattledog; here's a screenshot of that page.

I went to order the kit a few weeks ago, and thought stuff it, I can make a washer surely (don't call me shirley haha)

Unscrewed it, cleaned all surfaces, and cut a thickish old (but pliable) rubber fuel pump diaphragm from a line trimmer - no good. The choke wouldn't come off after starting, and the spring hole filled with fuel. Then I removed that and put a thinner cut piece of metering diaphragm - much better but choke wouldn't close fully or close slightly when revved up. Put it away for 6 weeks and ripped the carby off yesterday.

I thought maybe a thin piece of the line trimmer fuel pump diaphragm made of teflon (a blue coloured one). smeared a bit of grease on it to hold in position and put the carby back on.

10 pulls and only one cough. Was about to go back to the drawing board when I remembered the needle valve was shut to 1/4 turn (only way it would run before). Unscrewed to 1.5 turns and it fired up 2nd pull, ran 5 minutes then tuned and set idle. No black smoke, even when revved hard from idle straight up to 3200 rpm. Choke shuts as it should including slightly when revved. Started first go 2 hrs later

Here it is with its brother - who went 2nd pull despite sitting since march