Hi MF, you are right, I have a lot of PT motors here without starters that were ratted by persons unknown and then I have a pile of motors that won't start, they get pushed aside for a later date to re-ring and replace the lower seal, then they will be fine. If I ever get a chance I then need to clean out the motors that have arrived without starters, put a starter on them and check the compression as a first test. I know most of these motors that are missing starters are most likely good, but the starters have been ratted and sold on ebay for more than the seller could sell the complete mower. And to go over this once again 80% of these mowers are dumped because of a faulty float needle, the other 20% is because the body has rusted in the corner