Slash another thing that staggers me on these big alloy bases is the amount of work that Victa put into mounting the handelbars, hard to believe the number of components they used to allow the bars to be folded down. The simple method used on the pressed metal bases would have saved them quite a bit of money on each unit and at the end of the day the customer could not care in the slightest about how they were mounted so it wouldn't have been a great selling feature