Ok that's awesome! and it gives me some encouragement for my couch.

Thanks for the offer of the Pre-emergent! which one do you use? We use a whole bunch of different pre-emergents on the farm, depending on time of year and crop in the ground but I dare say none of them would be suitable for turf. And you're right about KambaM not being that great. I used it on the broad leaf weeds on the nature strip and it was very slow (at best) to work, it didn't even do a good job on he clover which it says it is designed for.