Thanks fellas it is not really a big issue for me.I wont bore you with posting pics but even too part them out I thought it may of been easier to know what series they were. I guess eye-balling other engines to put the pieces to the puzzle is the best way. I did have one that was almost new and all it had wrong was a dead plug, the previous owner must not of known how to check plugs and by the time I got it there was no starter.I put another starter on it and now it lives on my my mower.