Yeah I have seen a side start full crank tilt-a-cut which puts it around the 81-83 vintage around the $50 mark on flea bay which they say is hard to start. The machine is local to me. I am tempted to have a look if the compression is good I will go for it. As to utilities I would not mind getting a few full crank victa's. What were the full crank's rep like as industrial engine.